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[00:00.000 --> 00:06.000]  The veterans of the Spanish Civil War opposed the war during the period of the Hitler-Stalin pact,
[00:06.000 --> 00:14.000]  and the anti-war sentiment grew in strength as the Cold War seemed to present the situation of an unending series of conflicts.
[00:14.000 --> 00:22.000]  Later on, when the U.S. got involved in the Vietnam War, opposition movements began slowly on various U.S. college campuses.
[00:22.000 --> 00:28.000]  These campaigns grew into very large demonstrations from 1967 until 1971.
[00:28.000 --> 00:36.000]  Moving forward to the 2001 Afghanistan War, there was initially little opposition in the United States and the United Kingdom.
[00:36.000 --> 00:42.000]  Most vocal opposition came from pacifist groups and groups promoting a leftist political agenda.
[00:42.000 --> 00:49.000]  In the United States, for example, the group Answer was one of the most visible organizers of anti-war protests.
[00:49.000 --> 00:56.000]  Opposition to the Afghan war grew more widespread, partly as a result of wariness with the length of the conflict,
[00:56.000 --> 01:02.000]  and partly because it conflated with the Iraq war and therefore a renewing support of anti-war movements.
[01:02.000 --> 01:07.000]  Millions of people staged mass protests across the world in the immediate prelude to the invasion,
[01:07.000 --> 01:14.000]  and demonstrations and other forms of anti-war activism have continued throughout the occupation.
[01:14.000 --> 01:19.000]  The anti-war movement continues today with talks of possible war against Iran.
[01:19.000 --> 01:27.000]  It has thrown attacks on Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen, and the military intervention in Libya and a possible intervention in Syria.
[01:27.000 --> 01:35.000]  How effective is the anti-war movement today, and to what extent is anti-war activism helping in pressuring governments out of wars?
[01:41.000 --> 01:45.000]  Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Mr. Assad, thank you very much for joining us on the show.
[01:45.000 --> 01:47.000]  Thank you for receiving me.
[01:47.000 --> 01:53.000]  Mr. Assad, in a region that has been going on through different turmoils throughout the history,
[01:53.000 --> 01:59.000]  how important do you think an anti-war movement is in the Middle East, where you are based?
[01:59.000 --> 02:08.000]  Well, I think it would be important not only in the Middle East, but anywhere where there are troubles,
[02:08.000 --> 02:16.000]  whether the troubles are between governments or between the same population in the same country.
[02:16.000 --> 02:18.000]  Okay, in this case you mean civil war?
[02:18.000 --> 02:21.000]  Yes, it could be civil war in that case.
[02:21.000 --> 02:26.000]  And how important it is to promote peace among people?
[02:26.000 --> 02:30.000]  How can we prevent civil wars in general, since we're talking about civil war?
[02:30.000 --> 02:35.000]  And you, sir, you're an activist when it comes to civil war as well. How can we prevent that?
[02:35.000 --> 02:47.000]  Yes, this is a good question, and I think that one should start with dealing with the injuries of the past, of history,
[02:47.000 --> 02:59.000]  because you would be really surprised if you knew how much we are carrying in our memory and in our history
[02:59.000 --> 03:10.000]  things that might push us to make war later on, further on in our country's history.
[03:10.000 --> 03:24.000]  This is one. The second thing would be to pacify people and to put a kind of immunity among them
[03:24.000 --> 03:37.000]  and try to cover the divide that separates different components of this population or this nation.
[03:37.000 --> 03:43.000]  Because war creates gaps, and then you need to reconnect people together after a war.
[03:43.000 --> 03:49.000]  Yes, reconnecting can come even during the war.
[03:49.000 --> 03:54.000]  I mean, not shyly of course, but it should start somewhere.
[03:54.000 --> 04:02.000]  But of course it would increase and become serious, and it will build for a better future.
[04:02.000 --> 04:07.000]  Okay, now we will talk about your activism and the work you do later on, but let me ask you this question.
[04:07.000 --> 04:14.000]  How can we have, like from my understanding, there is no anti-war movement right now in the Middle East in general.
[04:14.000 --> 04:20.000]  But how can an anti-war movement in the Middle East affect the whole world, affect the whole region maybe?
[04:20.000 --> 04:30.000]  Now let's agree on something. When you say anti-war movement, we mean by it something that starts from within,
[04:30.000 --> 04:37.000]  not something that we import from another country or another group or another organization.
[04:37.000 --> 04:38.000]  I imagine that, no?
[04:38.000 --> 04:42.000]  Of course, of course. But what is the formula that is acceptable in the Middle East?
[04:42.000 --> 05:03.000]  Well, I think that once you start speaking of anti-war, you should speak also of anti-injustice and anti-aggression and anti-hatred and so on.
[05:03.000 --> 05:05.000]  Correct, correct.
[05:05.000 --> 05:16.000]  Now, when it comes to your work, Mr. Assad, can you tell us more about your work and what organizations you're part of and what is the kind of work you do?
[05:16.000 --> 05:24.000]  Yes, I'll tell you. I'm part of an organization called Initiatives of Change Abroad, I mean.
[05:24.000 --> 05:30.000]  But in the Arab world, we kept the old name Moral Rearmament.
[05:30.000 --> 05:43.000]  In fact, it started as, if you like, a call to governments before the Second World War in Europe to stop buying weapons
[05:43.000 --> 05:52.000]  and preparing themselves to a military war and to rearm themselves instead morally.
[05:52.000 --> 05:58.000]  And later on, it became Initiatives of Change Abroad, I mean.
[05:58.000 --> 06:05.000]  So I am part of this movement that changed me because I took part in the civil war in Lebanon.
[06:05.000 --> 06:14.000]  I was a fighter with the Christians. I was an officer, let's say, in intelligence services.
[06:14.000 --> 06:20.000]  And at a certain level, I came to meet these guys and they told me,
[06:20.000 --> 06:26.000]  listen, you want to change Lebanon and the Middle East. Are you ready to change yourself?
[06:26.000 --> 06:27.000]  Yes.
[06:27.000 --> 06:28.000]  It was a shock.
[06:28.000 --> 06:30.000]  That's what you said, change starts from within.
[06:30.000 --> 06:31.000]  Yes, yes.
[06:31.000 --> 06:37.000]  Now, I'll ask you to stay with me for a minute, Mr. Assad, because I'll go now to my guest via Skype, Mr. Chris.
[06:37.000 --> 06:41.000]  Mr. Chris, welcome and thank you for being on the show.
[06:41.000 --> 06:42.000]  Thanks very much.
[06:42.000 --> 06:43.000]  Thank you.
[06:43.000 --> 06:51.000]  Mr. Chris, can you first of all give us a general idea, a general overview of the anti-war movement taking place in Britain right now?
[06:51.000 --> 06:59.000]  Well, over the last 12 years since the beginning of the war on terror, there's been a very, very big movement in Britain protesting,
[06:59.000 --> 07:04.000]  first of all, over the Afghan war, the occupation of Afghanistan and then, of course,
[07:04.000 --> 07:13.000]  massive demonstrations against the invasion of Iraq, which continued right through till 2006.
[07:13.000 --> 07:21.000]  And then there's been big protests over the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 2007,
[07:21.000 --> 07:33.000]  more big demonstrations against the attacks on Gaza and a continued spate of activity to try and get the troops out of Afghanistan
[07:33.000 --> 07:45.000]  and protests as well over the current government attempts to or plans to arm the rebels in Syria and intervene in that way.
[07:45.000 --> 07:49.000]  We have protests over the war, the bombing of Libya.
[07:49.000 --> 07:54.000]  The movement isn't at the same scale as it was back in 2003, 4, 5,
[07:54.000 --> 08:01.000]  but it represents the opinion of the vast majority of people who are actually opposed to these foreign wars.
[08:01.000 --> 08:07.000]  And that's very important because it does put some pressure and it kind of inhibits politicians,
[08:07.000 --> 08:14.000]  at least to a certain extent, stops them doing some of the more extreme things they might want to do.
[08:14.000 --> 08:19.000]  Okay. Now, Mr. Chris, why should people be more active as anti-war individuals?
[08:19.000 --> 08:30.000]  Because, like, can we talk about the effect war can have on a society in general and how people should be more aware of these effects?
[08:30.000 --> 08:40.000]  Yeah, I mean, I think the main reason why people demonstrated and continue to protest and oppose the wars is because they know that they're completely counterproductive.
[08:40.000 --> 08:50.000]  They know that in Iraq, for example, up to a million people have been killed by the Western intervention.
[08:50.000 --> 08:53.000]  The infrastructure has been shot to pieces.
[08:53.000 --> 09:01.000]  Obviously, the problems that you know all too well about are the refugee crisis and the continuing damage that has been done by the wars.
[09:01.000 --> 09:06.000]  And the whole intervention was based on a lie. That was the...
[09:06.000 --> 09:12.000]  And then there's the whole question of the damage that it's done to our own political system here,
[09:12.000 --> 09:16.000]  because, as you say, we were taken to war on a series of lies,
[09:16.000 --> 09:25.000]  secret deals made between Tony Blair and George Bush, openly lying to Parliament, to the people, to the cabinet.
[09:25.000 --> 09:27.000]  And there's a kind of democratic deficit.
[09:27.000 --> 09:35.000]  There's a kind of degrading of the democratic system in Britain, which is directly linked to that whole experience of those wars.
[09:35.000 --> 09:38.000]  So, you know, it's been very bad. It's very bad for civil liberties as well.
[09:38.000 --> 09:46.000]  I mean, we've all seen the kind of things that the NSA has been up to in America in the last three or four years or more.
[09:46.000 --> 09:51.000]  But also, GCHQ in Britain is very, very centrally involved in that as well.
[09:51.000 --> 09:54.000]  So civil liberties have been massively under attack.
[09:54.000 --> 10:01.000]  There's also been an increase in racism in British society against Muslims as a direct product of the war on terror.
[10:01.000 --> 10:07.000]  So, you know, there's lots of reasons, lots of very, very good reasons to be against these wars.
[10:07.000 --> 10:13.000]  And that's before you even mention the hundreds of British soldiers that have died, the thousands that have been wounded,
[10:13.000 --> 10:17.000]  the families that have been torn apart by that whole experience.
[10:17.000 --> 10:20.000]  It's been a disaster. The war on terror has been a complete catastrophe.
[10:20.000 --> 10:24.000]  And that's why the majority of people in Britain are against it.
[10:24.000 --> 10:31.000]  Mr. Chris, how is Stop the War Coalition involved on ground in fighting war and promoting peace?
[10:31.000 --> 10:36.000]  Like what activities is the coalition involved in?
[10:36.000 --> 10:39.000]  Well, we've got groups up and down the country.
[10:39.000 --> 10:46.000]  We have public meetings and protests and a whole series of events throughout the year.
[10:46.000 --> 10:51.000]  Sometimes we come together in London for a big event, like we had a conference early this year,
[10:51.000 --> 10:57.000]  which was an international peace conference where we had some people come over from the United States and elsewhere,
[10:57.000 --> 11:04.000]  where we had a thousand people to discuss the situation of the war on terror and to debate how best to counter it.
[11:04.000 --> 11:09.000]  We have, as you know, over the last 10 or 12 years, we've had absolutely massive demonstrations,
[11:09.000 --> 11:13.000]  the biggest demonstrations of any kind in British history.
[11:13.000 --> 11:17.000]  Two million people demonstrated against the Iraq war.
[11:17.000 --> 11:19.000]  We have direct action.
[11:19.000 --> 11:27.000]  We have an information campaign via the web and publications,
[11:27.000 --> 11:33.000]  exposing the lies and the arguments that the government put forward to promote the wars.
[11:33.000 --> 11:40.000]  We also have a campaign against Tony Blair because we believe that Tony Blair is essentially a war criminal
[11:40.000 --> 11:45.000]  and that he should be brought to justice for what he's done to the Iraqi people
[11:45.000 --> 11:53.000]  and the fact that he's done it deceitfully and behind the backs of the population in Britain, behind the back of Parliament.
[11:53.000 --> 11:59.000]  So we've got a kind of ongoing campaign to bring him to justice, which is also very popular.
[11:59.000 --> 12:08.000]  So we just put the arguments against the war as high profile in society as we possibly can and as loudly as we possibly can.
[12:08.000 --> 12:15.000]  And it has had some effect because, as I say, we're now in a position where 75% of the British people think
[12:15.000 --> 12:24.000]  these foreign interventions should cease and that we should stop supporting US foreign policy and participating in their wars.
[12:24.000 --> 12:27.000]  Great. That's quite a lot of proportion.
[12:27.000 --> 12:32.000]  Mr. Chris, I would ask you to stay with me for a minute because we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back.
[12:32.000 --> 12:57.000]  Ladies and gentlemen, stay in tune.
[13:02.000 --> 13:31.000]  Evening.
[13:31.000 --> 13:43.000]  Evening. Women's Rights Redefined.
[13:43.000 --> 13:49.000]  Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Early in the morning we talked to our two guests, Mr. Assad and Mr. Chris.
[13:49.000 --> 13:54.000]  We talked about the work Stop the War Coalition does and also the organizations that Mr. Assad is involved in.
[13:54.000 --> 13:58.000]  Mr. Assad, you said that you're involved in the first organization.
[13:58.000 --> 14:08.000]  Can you tell us more about the activities that you do regarding peace and reconciliation and also promoting anti-war sentiment?
[14:08.000 --> 14:19.000]  Yeah. In fact, our main work is to speak about personal change and that one should change to improve his family,
[14:19.000 --> 14:25.000]  his society, his country, everything according to some moral values.
[14:25.000 --> 14:39.000]  But we had the occasion because I had changed and because in the year 2000 I addressed a public letter of apology to the Lebanese population
[14:39.000 --> 14:49.000]  regarding what I had done during the civil war in Lebanon in the name of Christianity and of Christ and of my country.
[14:49.000 --> 14:57.000]  So we have the occasion together with another ex-fighter also who was with the Muslim side.
[14:57.000 --> 15:08.000]  We go and meet young people in schools, universities, clubs, et cetera, to talk about how hatred starts in the hearts,
[15:08.000 --> 15:18.000]  you know, and how you carry it and how you slip into violence very easily and what you are able to do during the war.
[15:18.000 --> 15:23.000]  It's unbelievable and what is the best way to get out of this.
[15:23.000 --> 15:28.000]  So basically you just promote peace throughout workshops and maybe seminars and talks.
[15:28.000 --> 15:29.000]  Yes.
[15:29.000 --> 15:37.000]  Okay. Mr. Assad, I want you to stay with me for a minute because I go now to our guest, to joining us via phone, Mr. Brian Becker.
[15:37.000 --> 15:40.000]  Mr. Brian Becker, thank you for being on the show.
[15:40.000 --> 15:41.000]  Thank you for having us.
[15:41.000 --> 15:42.000]  Thank you.
[15:42.000 --> 15:48.000]  Mr. Brian, can you give us a general overview of the work of the Answer Coalition and the role you play on ground
[15:48.000 --> 15:54.000]  in pressuring the U.S. government out of wars or trying to pressure the U.S. government?
[15:54.000 --> 16:00.000]  Certainly, the Answer Coalition has been in existence since September 14, 2001.
[16:00.000 --> 16:06.000]  We formed just three days after the September 11th attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
[16:06.000 --> 16:13.000]  We were concerned that the Bush Administration at that time would take advantage of that horrible attack
[16:13.000 --> 16:23.000]  in order to carry out a cynical shift in U.S. foreign policy, specifically interventionist foreign policy.
[16:23.000 --> 16:31.000]  And we saw that manifest itself quickly with the invasion of Afghanistan and then on March 19, 2003, the invasion of Iraq.
[16:31.000 --> 16:39.000]  During that time period, the Answer Coalition organized literally hundreds of thousands of people almost every month,
[16:39.000 --> 16:48.000]  starting in October 2002 until after the invasion of Iraq, generating an antiwar movement that began in the United States
[16:48.000 --> 16:50.000]  but then became a worldwide movement.
[16:50.000 --> 16:59.000]  Since then, we've continued to oppose U.S. foreign policy, which we consider to be aggressive, imperial in its designs
[16:59.000 --> 17:01.000]  and its objectives.
[17:01.000 --> 17:05.000]  We've continued to oppose the ongoing occupation of Afghanistan.
[17:05.000 --> 17:12.000]  We opposed and organized large-scale activities in the United States against the bombing of Libya in 2011.
[17:12.000 --> 17:20.000]  And just recently, we've been organizing events, rallies, demonstrations against the use of drone warfare
[17:20.000 --> 17:24.000]  that's targeted assassinations against people in other lands,
[17:24.000 --> 17:29.000]  drone technology that's quickly migrating, in fact, into the cities of the United States.
[17:29.000 --> 17:37.000]  And right now, we're organizing in opposition to the stepped-up U.S. intervention vis-à-vis proxies
[17:37.000 --> 17:41.000]  but also coordinated by the CIA for intervention in Syria.
[17:41.000 --> 17:43.000]  So we're an activist organization.
[17:43.000 --> 17:50.000]  We link the issues of war abroad with the pressing issues of social and economic justice within the United States,
[17:50.000 --> 17:53.000]  which are, of course, very grave issues.
[17:53.000 --> 17:58.000]  There are 30 to 40 million Americans who are unemployed or underemployed,
[17:58.000 --> 18:07.000]  many, many millions more going into poverty, while a big part of the national treasury goes for war and militarism
[18:07.000 --> 18:10.000]  and the invasion and occupation and bombing of other people.
[18:10.000 --> 18:17.000]  So we try to combine peace and social justice and try to educate the American public about these issues.
[18:17.000 --> 18:25.000]  Okay. Mr. Bryan, why is it that the anti-war movement lost momentum, like especially in recent years,
[18:25.000 --> 18:30.000]  especially after the 2008 elections of President Obama?
[18:30.000 --> 18:32.000]  Well, I think there are two reasons.
[18:32.000 --> 18:39.000]  One, of course, is that many people identified the Iraq invasion with George W. Bush
[18:39.000 --> 18:45.000]  and anticipated that the Obama administration would represent not simply the absence of Bush
[18:45.000 --> 18:52.000]  but something new and different, and I think there was a hopefulness on the part of many people in the anti-war movement
[18:52.000 --> 18:55.000]  that Obama would, quote, do the right thing.
[18:55.000 --> 19:02.000]  And secondly, and I think this is important, is that a factor for U.S. politics
[19:02.000 --> 19:11.000]  is the significance of American soldiers and Marines who are fighting, killing, being killed, being wounded.
[19:11.000 --> 19:17.000]  In other words, the personal engagement of American service people in foreign wars.
[19:17.000 --> 19:24.000]  And I think what we saw in the case of Libya, the U.S., along with its NATO partners, bombed Libya relentlessly.
[19:24.000 --> 19:30.000]  The number of U.S. casualties was exactly zero during the course of the bombing campaign.
[19:30.000 --> 19:36.000]  And so the American government constructed a foreign policy that was equally aggressive
[19:36.000 --> 19:40.000]  but made sure that all the bleeding was done on the other side.
[19:40.000 --> 19:47.000]  And I think that was done as a political calculation to keep the American a political opposition on the sidelines.
[19:47.000 --> 19:51.000]  Okay. Mr. Ryan, thank you for joining us. Keep up the good work. Thank you very much.
[19:51.000 --> 19:52.000]  Right. Thank you.
[19:52.000 --> 19:56.000]  Thank you. Now, I'll go back to my guest via Skype, Mr. Chris.
[19:56.000 --> 20:05.000]  You've heard, as I was speaking to my guest, Mr. Brian, and we talked about how the anti-war movement lost its momentum some way, somehow.
[20:05.000 --> 20:07.000]  Do you agree with this?
[20:07.000 --> 20:13.000]  Clearly, until the troops came out of Iraq, there was a very, very strong movement.
[20:13.000 --> 20:21.000]  And the British troops did come out of Iraq in – the promise was made at least in 2006.
[20:21.000 --> 20:22.000]  So that was important.
[20:22.000 --> 20:29.000]  And then there have been a series of demonstrations since then that have been a major size,
[20:29.000 --> 20:35.000]  particularly, as I mentioned, the demonstrations against the attacks by Israel on Gaza,
[20:35.000 --> 20:40.000]  which have been, you know, demonstrations of historic size.
[20:40.000 --> 20:44.000]  So – and that's right up until 2009, 2010.
[20:44.000 --> 20:47.000]  So I wouldn't write off the anti-war movement.
[20:47.000 --> 20:57.000]  I think what's happened is that the British government has been forced to commit to withdrawing the troops from Afghanistan,
[20:57.000 --> 21:02.000]  which has, to some extent, you know, stopped people going out on the streets.
[21:02.000 --> 21:10.000]  But if the British government decided to participate in another war, for example, if there was an attack on Iran
[21:10.000 --> 21:15.000]  and the British government committed to supporting an Israeli strike or a U.S. strike,
[21:15.000 --> 21:19.000]  I think there would be people out on the streets again because one thing that hasn't changed, indeed,
[21:19.000 --> 21:23.000]  one thing that has actually increased has been the popular opposition to wars.
[21:23.000 --> 21:25.000]  So I think it's a complicated picture.
[21:25.000 --> 21:27.000]  I mean, I agree with what he says about Obama.
[21:27.000 --> 21:31.000]  I think people thought Obama was going to be different.
[21:31.000 --> 21:34.000]  And in a sense, he has been different, but not in the way that people hoped,
[21:34.000 --> 21:39.000]  because what he's done is he's changed the strategy so that now, you know,
[21:39.000 --> 21:46.000]  they're not sending American troops in any serious numbers into the place that they want to attack.
[21:46.000 --> 21:48.000]  They're attacking them with drones.
[21:48.000 --> 21:56.000]  And that obviously is a – you know, they hope that that's a kind of cost-free operation from their point of view.
[21:56.000 --> 22:01.000]  It's a strategy that they can do – they can conduct without consulting with the people,
[22:01.000 --> 22:03.000]  and people don't even know about it.
[22:03.000 --> 22:08.000]  So I think that's had an impact as well, but in general terms – and it's true in America as well.
[22:08.000 --> 22:17.000]  There is a very, very big section of the population that completely opposes these kind of imperial wars.
[22:17.000 --> 22:19.000]  And that's very, very important.
[22:19.000 --> 22:20.000]  Okay.
[22:20.000 --> 22:22.000]  Mr. Chris, I want you to stay with me for a minute.
[22:22.000 --> 22:24.000]  I'll go now to my guest in the studio, Mr. Assad.
[22:24.000 --> 22:29.000]  Mr. Assad, how important do you think is getting the youth involved
[22:29.000 --> 22:36.000]  and like getting youth activists all together in fighting war and in creating more peace in a society?
[22:36.000 --> 22:46.000]  Listen, I think that it's obvious that the youth are those who are asked to carry guns,
[22:46.000 --> 22:53.000]  whether in a war or in a civil war, and they will be its first victims.
[22:53.000 --> 22:54.000]  Of course.
[22:54.000 --> 23:01.000]  So the more we talk to young people, we address them about being nonviolent,
[23:01.000 --> 23:11.000]  about looking towards other solutions, because at the end violence helps nobody,
[23:11.000 --> 23:15.000]  and nobody wins a war or a civil war.
[23:15.000 --> 23:17.000]  I think that everybody loses.
[23:17.000 --> 23:21.000]  Okay. Now, what tools do you use to implement the youth?
[23:21.000 --> 23:23.000]  Like how can we get them involved, really?
[23:23.000 --> 23:33.000]  Well, if I may continue what I was trying to explain about the organizations I work in.
[23:33.000 --> 23:40.000]  We have recently created a new movement which is not registered yet.
[23:40.000 --> 23:46.000]  We call it the X Fighters, and we addressed to the Lebanese population recently,
[23:46.000 --> 23:53.000]  three weeks or a month ago maybe, our first press declaration.
[23:53.000 --> 23:59.000]  We called it from the X Fighters to the New Fighters, because we have new fighters today,
[23:59.000 --> 24:05.000]  young people carrying guns and going to fight the other inside our country.
[24:05.000 --> 24:10.000]  So this is one way which is to address them directly.
[24:10.000 --> 24:17.000]  Now, the other way is through what we are trying to do in this gathering of 29 NGOs
[24:17.000 --> 24:25.000]  that work together for civil peace that we called our unity will save us.
[24:25.000 --> 24:28.000]  Okay. Mr. Assad, I will have to interrupt you here.
[24:28.000 --> 24:30.000]  Thank you very much for being on the show.
[24:30.000 --> 24:32.000]  Mr. Chris, thank you also for being on the show,
[24:32.000 --> 24:36.000]  and I would like to thank also Mr. Brian Becker for joining us via phone.
[24:36.000 --> 24:38.000]  Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.
[24:38.000 --> 24:40.000]  See you next week. Bye-bye.
[25:08.000 --> 25:10.000]  Thank you very much.
[25:38.000 --> 26:05.000]  Time.
[26:05.000 --> 26:11.000]  Time.
[26:11.000 --> 26:15.000]  Variable.
[26:15.000 --> 26:18.000]  Event.
[26:18.000 --> 26:30.000]  The only constant variable in life is change.
[26:30.000 --> 26:36.000]  Broader perspective.
[26:36.000 --> 26:42.000]  Arguments and counter-arguments on our platform.
[26:42.000 --> 26:44.000]  Global insights.
[26:44.000 --> 26:53.000]  The globe on our platform.
[26:53.000 --> 27:18.000]  Sajjad News Channel. The truth fears no questions.
[27:23.000 --> 27:33.000]  It is also fine to die in our beds, on a clean pillow and among our friends.
[27:33.000 --> 27:42.000]  It is fine to die once our hands crossed on our chests, empty and pale,
[27:42.000 --> 27:50.000]  with no scratches, no chains, no banners, and no petitions.
[27:50.000 --> 28:02.000]  It is fine to have an undustful death, no holes in our shirts and no evidence in our ribs.
[28:02.000 --> 28:09.000]  It is fine to die with a white pillow not on the pavement, under our cheeks,
[28:09.000 --> 28:15.000]  our hands resting in those of our loved ones, surrounded by desperate doctors and nurses
[28:15.000 --> 28:21.000]  with nothing left but a graceful farewell.
[28:21.000 --> 28:26.000]  Paying no attention to history, leaving this world as it is,
[28:26.000 --> 28:47.000]  hoping that someday someone else will change it.
[28:56.000 --> 29:23.000]  The truth fears no questions.
[29:23.000 --> 29:33.000]  It is fine to die once our hands crossed on our chests, empty and pale,
[29:33.000 --> 29:43.000]  with no scratches, no banners, and no petitions.
[29:43.000 --> 29:59.000]  It is fine to die once our hands crossed on our chests, empty and pale,
[29:59.000 --> 30:08.000]  wherever those are persecuted, that place we tackle case by case.
[30:08.000 --> 30:19.000]  Where we believe that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
[30:19.000 --> 30:27.000]  Aletjah News Channel. The truth fears no questions.
[30:27.000 --> 30:33.000]  Around the world, outside the mainstream, anywhere, everywhere.
[30:33.000 --> 30:40.000]  An idea of your land, of your creation, a new media, and a new era.
[30:40.000 --> 31:03.000]  Will it take the lead in the future? I believe so. This is Underground.