Detecting language using up to the first 30 seconds. Use `--language` to specify the language Detected language: German [00:00.000 --> 00:20.000] It's not the worst if the first concert you visit is one of the Clash. [00:20.000 --> 00:27.000] I was 17, my friends and I had just started at Trinity College in Dublin. [00:27.000 --> 00:32.000] At the back of the stage, there was a photo of her first album. [00:32.000 --> 00:37.000] With policemen, who were armed with sticks, the road went down. [00:37.000 --> 00:44.000] That was in London, in London, but in Ireland it looked like it was in Belfast. [00:44.000 --> 01:03.000] It was a moment of intense tension as this image was revealed on the stage. [01:03.000 --> 01:14.000] There was a feeling of danger and violence in the air. I was terrified and excited. [01:14.000 --> 01:19.000] At that moment, Rock'n'Roll had nothing to do with entertainment. [01:19.000 --> 01:27.000] It wasn't about life and death, but something much more important. [01:27.000 --> 01:49.000] My friends and I thought about how we could do it in such important bands as the Clash. [01:49.000 --> 01:54.000] We were at the right place at the right time with the right music, an explosive mix. [01:54.000 --> 02:00.000] We felt like pirates who infiltrated everywhere. We were completely out of control. [02:00.000 --> 02:13.000] We had a pen that meant the cars were about to explode and followed us everywhere. [02:13.000 --> 02:18.000] I still remember, once the film team of a local show came in front of the concert in our wardrobe. [02:18.000 --> 02:26.000] We always let our fans in, our friends. It was like a joke when 19 people got out of a tiny car. [02:26.000 --> 02:31.000] Someone opened the window and suddenly more people were climbing behind me into the wardrobe. [02:31.000 --> 02:56.000] At some point it was about 50 people in a Charlie Chaplin film. [02:56.000 --> 03:04.000] When the youth had no money to go home, there was no money for drinks. [03:04.000 --> 03:08.000] The police would wait till we were driving across the mountains. [03:08.000 --> 03:11.000] The police would pass us by when we were driving through the mountains. [03:11.000 --> 03:16.000] After a few motels, we had begun to get out of the kitchens to have the bus more comfortable at night. [03:16.000 --> 03:24.000] When the police didn't find any drugs, they searched the bus and found about 30 kitchens and hundreds of hotel rooms. [03:24.000 --> 03:29.000] They said that each one of us had to lie down and keep the whole night there. [03:29.000 --> 03:34.000] So Joe said, well, I'll take over the kitchens if you take the keys on your head. [03:34.000 --> 03:37.000] We sat about three nights in the cellar. [03:37.000 --> 03:41.000] We really got close and we just talked. [03:41.000 --> 03:45.000] We spoke honestly with each other and I knew the real Joe. [03:45.000 --> 03:50.000] If I had talked to him before, there were always other people there, so he never got scared. [03:50.000 --> 03:55.000] We spoke about the fact that we were afraid, you know, because we were making a lot of noise around the punk movement. [03:55.000 --> 03:58.000] We thought we might get really angry. [03:58.000 --> 04:00.000] We were just honest with each other. [04:00.000 --> 04:05.000] He always had to fight for him to have been a punk rocker on an internet. [04:05.000 --> 04:09.000] It doesn't matter where he came from. He wasn't a poser. [04:09.000 --> 04:13.000] You know, he didn't do anything to us. He believed in what he did. [04:13.000 --> 04:16.000] He believed in what he was doing. [04:16.000 --> 04:21.000] Gaby started to go out with Joe. I still know how this guy in his black leather jacket [04:21.000 --> 04:26.000] with his high-pitched shoulders went through our little social housing and slipped in front of him. [04:26.000 --> 04:30.000] When she went to Let Broke Grove, I visited her more often and learned to know Joe better. [04:30.000 --> 04:37.000] He was a wonderful guest who always made sure that everyone had something to drink and a place to sit on. [04:37.000 --> 04:46.000] Since he was from a diplomatic family, he was forced to serve guests in the house of his parents' cocktails. [05:00.000 --> 05:05.000] The punk movement proved that you can do what you want, that you can represent your own opinion. [05:05.000 --> 05:09.000] I'm convinced that this has shaped me as an artist. [05:09.000 --> 05:16.000] I was a Clash fan. When I saw her in 1978 in Apollo, there was Handale. [05:16.000 --> 05:20.000] The door stand was a huge hitman from Glasgow, the punks hated him. [05:20.000 --> 05:23.000] The Clash had to interrupt the concert. [05:23.000 --> 05:27.000] I couldn't keep singing while these people were being treated brutally. [05:27.000 --> 05:30.000] Let's go! They're fucking dancing! [05:30.000 --> 05:33.000] All right, now they're just smiling! [05:33.000 --> 05:36.000] I loved that they put the door stand on parolibus. [05:36.000 --> 05:39.000] Your fans are your friends. You're not better than them. [05:39.000 --> 05:43.000] We used to be one with our audience. You should never be overestimated. [05:43.000 --> 05:58.000] To the tail! [06:01.000 --> 06:06.000] At first, the punk movement didn't seem to be something for black people. [06:06.000 --> 06:12.000] But the first Clash album with Police and Thieves, with sections from Notting Hill Carnival, [06:12.000 --> 06:15.000] made punk accessible to me. [06:18.000 --> 06:22.000] It was like, come on, do it. That's something for you. [06:24.000 --> 06:27.000] White music was always influenced by black music. [06:27.000 --> 06:33.000] The difference with The Clash was that Trammer and Jones inspired people from their immediate environment. [06:33.000 --> 06:36.000] So it was a much more direct influence. [06:49.000 --> 06:52.000] I remember saying you can't hear the words. [06:52.000 --> 06:55.000] But the words are really great. [06:55.000 --> 06:58.000] Really great. And you can't hear them. [06:58.000 --> 07:00.000] What do you think that's like? [07:00.000 --> 07:04.000] Joe was able to deal with language well. He had a sense of history. [07:04.000 --> 07:09.000] Joe put me in a two-line than with others in an entire album. [07:09.000 --> 07:12.000] I was able to identify with Joe's texts. [07:12.000 --> 07:16.000] Against the establishment, against the military and against the work, which was a special feeling for me. [07:16.000 --> 07:19.000] I was currently working in a factory. [07:19.000 --> 07:31.000] And he asked me if I had to do that for the rest of my life. [07:34.000 --> 07:36.000] That's why we were so idealistic. [07:36.000 --> 07:40.000] Because we had the feeling that we had to fight against peace and wealth. [07:40.000 --> 07:44.000] All I had was those books. I had to do something with them. [07:44.000 --> 07:46.000] I did as much as I could. [07:46.000 --> 07:48.000] Bernie was on the nerves. [07:48.000 --> 07:51.000] He was constantly trying to provoke and fight. [07:51.000 --> 07:56.000] Joe, I didn't realize, was such a coward. [07:56.000 --> 08:00.000] Nick, I didn't realize, was such an egomania. [08:00.000 --> 08:04.000] Paul, I didn't realize, was such a pussy-whipped guy. [08:04.000 --> 08:07.000] And the other one, I couldn't stand. [08:07.000 --> 08:10.000] He called me again. [08:10.000 --> 08:13.000] Because I was from Dover. [08:13.000 --> 08:15.000] Bernie was fired. [08:15.000 --> 08:17.000] And suddenly we were on our own. [08:17.000 --> 08:19.000] Papa wasn't there anymore. [08:19.000 --> 08:22.000] Now we had to prove ourselves. [08:26.000 --> 08:30.000] We lived for five months in some dregs hole in Pimlico. [08:30.000 --> 08:33.000] We were sitting in the patch because we had no manager anymore. [08:33.000 --> 08:35.000] We sat down every day and wrote and wrote. [08:35.000 --> 08:40.000] And it went so well that we ran into the studio and recorded the record in three weeks and two days. [09:05.000 --> 09:09.000] Adam is a great singer. [09:31.000 --> 09:33.000] Later I lived at Tamsa as an artist. [09:33.000 --> 09:35.040] about which the scientists constantly fought. [09:35.040 --> 09:37.680] The one said, there would be a new age, [09:37.680 --> 09:40.240] the other said, we would collude with the sun [09:40.240 --> 09:43.040] so that you felt like an ant and asked, [09:43.040 --> 09:44.840] does it worth living at all? [09:44.840 --> 09:47.960] Then he suddenly said, you should see yourself on the Thames, [09:47.960 --> 09:50.920] there would be a spring flood and everyone would drink. [09:50.920 --> 09:52.240] I tried to get up, [09:52.240 --> 09:55.920] in which I put all these ridiculous prophecies in a song. [09:55.920 --> 09:58.120] I played it to Mick and he liked it. [09:58.120 --> 10:00.280] He tapped his finger on the text sheet and said, [10:00.280 --> 10:02.960] I should write a message for the whole world. [10:02.960 --> 10:23.280] We had to break out and go to America. [10:32.960 --> 10:44.960] There are the six pistols that landed here, 1869. [11:03.960 --> 11:09.960] He knew the culture of America, [11:09.960 --> 11:13.960] he knew very well about American culture and literature [11:13.960 --> 11:15.960] and especially about music. [11:15.960 --> 11:23.960] That's how we understood each other. [11:23.960 --> 11:25.960] It was unbelievable, [11:25.960 --> 11:29.960] we grew up thousands of kilometers away from each other [11:29.960 --> 11:32.960] and the same things moved us. [11:39.960 --> 11:44.960] He was passionate and said every word as if he really meant it. [11:44.960 --> 11:47.960] He sang about things that were hidden deep in his soul, [11:47.960 --> 11:51.960] he sang about injustice and that all with an unhurried certainty. [11:51.960 --> 11:56.960] I don't think that you can separate politics and art from him. [11:56.960 --> 11:59.960] He required not only to find out what he was doing, [11:59.960 --> 12:01.960] but also to find out what he was doing. [12:01.960 --> 12:25.960] What does it mean to be free? [12:31.960 --> 12:44.960] I suppose the initial effect the clash had on me was the proper effect. [12:44.960 --> 12:47.960] You know, you were experiencing a sincerity, [12:47.960 --> 12:53.960] not only in lyrics, but in music as well. [12:53.960 --> 12:57.960] There was a truth in the attack. [12:57.960 --> 13:01.960] They sort of pretended that they hated America, [13:01.960 --> 13:04.960] because they loved Joe Cowboys, big cars, thick pits [13:04.960 --> 13:10.960] and the fact that here in the bar a simple drink was a double. [13:10.960 --> 13:13.960] Money, I forgot the duck. [13:13.960 --> 13:16.960] So there was a lot of things they liked about America. [13:16.960 --> 13:19.960] I came out of the Vietnam War [13:19.960 --> 13:23.960] and worked very intensively with various liberation battles. [13:23.960 --> 13:27.960] In 1976 I was very committed to the Sandinistas. [13:27.960 --> 13:29.960] It was a very young revolution [13:29.960 --> 13:35.960] in which the people had control over the country for the first time. [13:35.960 --> 13:38.960] I was given this bag, [13:38.960 --> 13:41.960] how they wore the street fighters in Estonia, [13:41.960 --> 13:43.960] a small town in Nicaragua, [13:43.960 --> 13:45.960] to not be recognized by the Somoza troops. [13:45.960 --> 13:47.960] I gave it to Joe and Mick. [13:47.960 --> 13:50.960] We decided to call the plate Sandinista [13:50.960 --> 13:53.960] and to use the lack of information in the newspapers. [13:53.960 --> 13:56.960] I had no idea who the Sandinistas were [13:56.960 --> 13:58.960] or where Nicaragua was. [13:58.960 --> 14:01.960] Joe's drummers' lyrics were like an atlas for me. [14:01.960 --> 14:03.960] They created more and more unknowingly [14:03.960 --> 14:23.960] unfeeling children in the world. [14:23.960 --> 14:26.960] At some point the people got used to the idea. [14:26.960 --> 14:28.960] All right, that's punk, we got it. [14:28.960 --> 14:31.960] But when we started playing other things [14:31.960 --> 14:33.960] it was a huge mess in the UK. [14:33.960 --> 14:35.960] Especially in Britain. [14:38.960 --> 14:41.960] My favourite album from the Clash was Sandinista. [14:41.960 --> 14:43.960] I was especially impressed by the idea [14:43.960 --> 14:45.960] that I let people use it for their brothers and sisters [14:45.960 --> 14:47.960] and they didn't like it. [14:47.960 --> 14:49.960] That's also punk ethos. [14:49.960 --> 14:51.960] But they weren't my absolute favourite band [14:51.960 --> 14:53.960] if they had improved and changed [14:53.960 --> 14:55.960] with each album. [14:55.960 --> 14:57.960] That's the biggest inspiration for me and my band, [14:57.960 --> 14:59.960] the Red Hot Chili Peppers. [14:59.960 --> 15:01.960] Sandinista is a three-time album for the price of one. [15:01.960 --> 15:03.960] We wanted to sell it cheaply [15:03.960 --> 15:05.960] because we had the feeling that the record record [15:05.960 --> 15:07.960] was generally overpriced. [15:07.960 --> 15:09.960] That's where the record company came from. [15:09.960 --> 15:11.960] They only liked the idea too much. [15:11.960 --> 15:13.960] You learn a lot about life [15:13.960 --> 15:15.960] when you're really put on the cross. [15:15.960 --> 15:17.960] And after Sandinista it became clear to me [15:17.960 --> 15:19.960] that I wanted to have Bernie back. [15:19.960 --> 15:21.960] I still had Bernie as a creator [15:21.960 --> 15:23.960] and I wanted to have Bernie back. [15:23.960 --> 15:25.960] I wanted to have Bernie as a creator [15:25.960 --> 15:27.960] and I wanted to have Bernie back. [15:27.960 --> 15:29.960] I still had Bernie as a creator [15:29.960 --> 15:31.960] and I still had his input. [15:33.960 --> 15:35.960] Then Bernie either came back [15:35.960 --> 15:37.960] or Joe got out. So Bernie came back. [15:37.960 --> 15:39.960] And how? [15:39.960 --> 15:41.960] The classic was a rusty old wreck [15:41.960 --> 15:43.960] and I had to grab it and do it up [15:43.960 --> 15:45.960] and put my engine in it, my updated engine. [15:45.960 --> 15:47.960] Would you like to interview our manager [15:47.960 --> 15:49.960] while he's here? [15:49.960 --> 15:51.960] Catch him while he's hot. [15:51.960 --> 15:53.960] Bernie, Bernie. [15:53.960 --> 15:55.960] Leave him, leave him. [15:55.960 --> 15:57.960] I'm sorry about that. Come back. [15:57.960 --> 15:59.960] He invented punk. [15:59.960 --> 16:01.960] It's obviously too much for him. [16:01.960 --> 16:03.960] The clash was like a family. [16:03.960 --> 16:05.960] Like weapon brothers. [16:05.960 --> 16:07.960] I think the others looked at Joe [16:07.960 --> 16:09.960] and he was like a big brother to her. [16:09.960 --> 16:11.960] It was probably because he was the oldest [16:11.960 --> 16:13.960] and probably the strongest personality. [16:17.960 --> 16:19.960] Then our biggest commercial success came. [16:21.960 --> 16:23.960] The clash invaded America. [16:23.960 --> 16:25.960] Next off the record. [16:31.960 --> 16:33.960] In England we still hate [16:33.960 --> 16:35.960] that we made it to America. [16:35.960 --> 16:37.960] But somebody had to go out [16:37.960 --> 16:39.960] and prove that it was a global thing. [16:49.960 --> 16:51.960] Only half of the people came in [16:51.960 --> 16:53.960] to randall the Times Square. [16:53.960 --> 16:55.960] All of them from America. [16:55.960 --> 16:57.960] For the first time, they had to stop the Times Square. [17:07.960 --> 17:09.960] In New York we heard our music. [17:09.960 --> 17:11.960] It was an illegal mix [17:11.960 --> 17:13.960] of The Magnificent Seven, [17:13.960 --> 17:15.960] the nonstop from a ghetto blaster in the city. [17:15.960 --> 17:19.960] In the summer we heard New York. [17:27.960 --> 17:29.960] It was a real love story [17:29.960 --> 17:31.960] between The Clash and New York. [17:31.960 --> 17:33.960] Once I met a taxi driver named Jack Checker [17:33.960 --> 17:35.960] who told me that they were [17:35.960 --> 17:37.960] completely different from other rock stars [17:37.960 --> 17:39.960] that came to New York. [17:39.960 --> 17:41.960] Their limousine was Jack Checker's taxi. [17:41.960 --> 17:43.960] He just wanted to see the city. [17:43.960 --> 17:45.960] He wanted to go to Harlem [17:45.960 --> 17:47.960] and Brooklyn. [17:47.960 --> 17:49.960] He was looking for contact with the people. [17:57.960 --> 17:59.960] They were in New York. [17:59.960 --> 18:01.960] All the artists wanted to see and hear. [18:03.960 --> 18:05.960] The Clash were an open source. [18:05.960 --> 18:07.960] They put us back in time [18:07.960 --> 18:13.960] when Rock'n'Roll was still new and exciting. [18:13.960 --> 18:15.960] Interestingly, the music came [18:15.960 --> 18:17.960] from the 1940s [18:17.960 --> 18:19.960] and 1950s [18:19.960 --> 18:21.960] and from the opera. [18:21.960 --> 18:23.960] But actually they were Clash, [18:23.960 --> 18:25.960] my source of inspiration. [18:27.960 --> 18:29.960] I saw The Clash in bronze. [18:29.960 --> 18:31.960] As a band, [18:31.960 --> 18:33.960] Grandmaster Flash, [18:33.960 --> 18:35.960] which was almost offered by the stage, [18:35.960 --> 18:37.960] it was completely crazy. [18:37.960 --> 18:39.960] We called them and now they all sing [18:39.960 --> 18:41.960] and they answered, [18:41.960 --> 18:43.960] fuck you, we sing yeah [18:43.960 --> 18:45.960] and they piss you off. [18:45.960 --> 18:47.960] When The Clash came on the stage, [18:47.960 --> 18:49.960] it was like Joe was right. [18:49.960 --> 18:51.960] You have to give them a chance. [18:51.960 --> 18:53.960] Just listen to it. [18:53.960 --> 18:55.960] You don't do that. [18:55.960 --> 18:57.960] And the whole audience thought, [18:57.960 --> 18:59.960] oh shit, Joe Strummer just made us sad. [18:59.960 --> 19:01.960] When I was on the airport [19:01.960 --> 19:03.960] on the carpet, [19:03.960 --> 19:05.960] he was sick. [19:05.960 --> 19:07.960] Shut up, we're here, stupid cunt. [19:07.960 --> 19:09.960] Oh, thanks very much. [19:09.960 --> 19:11.960] Yeah, that's what you deserve [19:11.960 --> 19:13.960] with that sort of crap. [19:13.960 --> 19:15.960] What do you think we are? [19:15.960 --> 19:17.960] Do you think this is 1976 [19:17.960 --> 19:19.960] and you're talking to the six pistols? [19:19.960 --> 19:21.960] Piss off for our fucking piss all over you. [19:21.960 --> 19:23.960] If he feels like throwing up, [19:23.960 --> 19:25.960] it's because he's Stummer Erz. [19:25.960 --> 19:27.960] I don't need your jokes to fucking contend with. [19:27.960 --> 19:29.960] If you haven't got something serious to say, [19:29.960 --> 19:31.960] piss off. [19:31.960 --> 19:33.960] Well, you tell me, [19:33.960 --> 19:35.960] about life and death, [19:35.960 --> 19:37.960] none of my little putes on stinking carpets. [19:37.960 --> 19:39.960] The dance is going on my lawn. [19:41.960 --> 19:43.960] Some of his characters [19:43.960 --> 19:45.960] I didn't like at all. [19:45.960 --> 19:47.960] My girlfriend was on tour with us. [19:47.960 --> 19:49.960] One evening I said, [19:49.960 --> 19:51.960] after a fierce fight, [19:51.960 --> 19:53.960] you're not sleeping in my room today. [19:53.960 --> 19:55.960] When I woke up the next morning, [19:55.960 --> 19:57.960] he spent the night with Joe. [19:57.960 --> 19:59.960] That really hurt. [19:59.960 --> 20:01.960] But I wasn't the only one, [20:01.960 --> 20:03.960] he was doing the same thing with others. [20:03.960 --> 20:05.960] We were no longer a unit. [20:05.960 --> 20:07.960] I was always self-sufficient [20:07.960 --> 20:09.960] and Joe had doubts. [20:09.960 --> 20:11.960] Probably our success was slowly getting worse [20:11.960 --> 20:13.960] and Mick couldn't sit on the tour bus [20:13.960 --> 20:15.960] without fighting. [20:15.960 --> 20:17.960] Everybody has his weaknesses, right? [20:23.960 --> 20:25.960] We had enough of each other [20:25.960 --> 20:27.960] after we had been hooked on the stick for years. [20:27.960 --> 20:29.960] We never had a holiday. [20:29.960 --> 20:31.960] Every band makes a holiday today [20:31.960 --> 20:33.960] to get out and get rid of the headache. [20:33.960 --> 20:35.960] We never did that. [20:35.960 --> 20:37.960] We worked the whole time. [20:37.960 --> 20:39.960] Mick thought [20:39.960 --> 20:41.960] if he didn't want to play Wide-Wide, [20:41.960 --> 20:43.960] no one could. [20:45.960 --> 20:47.960] I probably made [20:47.960 --> 20:49.960] something unexpected [20:49.960 --> 20:51.960] that I shouldn't have done. [20:51.960 --> 20:53.960] That brought the stone into the roll. [20:53.960 --> 20:55.960] It was all about his [20:55.960 --> 20:57.960] stage presence. [20:59.960 --> 21:01.960] He said, [21:01.960 --> 21:03.960] you have no respect for the stage [21:03.960 --> 21:05.960] and I answered, [21:05.960 --> 21:07.960] what do you want to tell me about the stage? [21:07.960 --> 21:09.960] He shook his drink in my face. [21:11.960 --> 21:13.960] And I hit him with a full kiss [21:13.960 --> 21:15.960] against the star. [21:17.960 --> 21:19.960] It was a hit. [21:19.960 --> 21:21.960] It was even bloody. [21:21.960 --> 21:23.960] So you understand that [21:23.960 --> 21:25.960] everything was because Mick didn't want to play Wide-Wide. [21:25.960 --> 21:27.960] But Joe was shocked [21:27.960 --> 21:29.960] just like Mick. [21:29.960 --> 21:31.960] He wanted to say, [21:31.960 --> 21:33.960] what have I done? [21:43.960 --> 21:45.960] Shortly after that I laughed. [21:45.960 --> 21:47.960] Suddenly [21:51.960 --> 21:53.960] we were at Saturday Night Live [21:53.960 --> 21:55.960] at Johnny Carson and Talkshows. [21:55.960 --> 21:57.960] We weren't prepared for that [21:57.960 --> 21:59.960] after we had only had a long time. [21:59.960 --> 22:01.960] Everybody had to be headed. [22:03.960 --> 22:05.960] It was just four and a half. [22:05.960 --> 22:07.960] We were never here at the same time. [22:09.960 --> 22:11.960] I came to Selected Ladies Studio [22:11.960 --> 22:13.960] and no one was there. [22:13.960 --> 22:15.960] I thought, [22:15.960 --> 22:17.960] if I record the drums [22:17.960 --> 22:19.960] and play the piano, [22:19.960 --> 22:21.960] I can play my idea later. [22:21.960 --> 22:23.960] When I recorded the drums [22:23.960 --> 22:25.960] and the piano [22:25.960 --> 22:27.960] and no one was there, [22:27.960 --> 22:29.960] I also recorded the bass [22:29.960 --> 22:31.960] and a few percussion instruments. [22:31.960 --> 22:33.960] And when they finally came, [22:33.960 --> 22:35.960] I could play them almost a finished piece. [22:35.960 --> 22:37.960] Joe was excited. [22:37.960 --> 22:39.960] Bernie came in and said, [22:39.960 --> 22:41.960] do you always have to do Raga? [22:41.960 --> 22:43.960] He said, your songs take all six minutes. [22:43.960 --> 22:45.960] How should we bring that to an album? [22:45.960 --> 22:47.960] When he was gone, we laughed about it. [22:47.960 --> 22:49.960] I went back to Iroquois Hotel [22:49.960 --> 22:51.960] on the 44th Street [22:51.960 --> 22:53.960] and it was already bright again. [22:53.960 --> 22:55.960] In my room there was a writing machine [22:55.960 --> 22:57.960] and I started typing. [22:57.960 --> 22:59.960] The king orders his men to listen to the Raga. [22:59.960 --> 23:01.960] I was very tired [23:01.960 --> 23:03.960] but this piece of paper in the writing machine [23:03.960 --> 23:05.960] made me magical [23:05.960 --> 23:07.960] and so I wrote the whole text of Raga. [23:07.960 --> 23:09.960] In fanaticism there is no tenderness [23:09.960 --> 23:11.960] or humanity. [23:11.960 --> 23:13.960] I tried to express that with the song. [23:15.960 --> 23:17.960] The relationship between Mick and Joe [23:17.960 --> 23:19.960] became more and more difficult. [23:19.960 --> 23:21.960] We ran past him [23:21.960 --> 23:23.960] and Joe threw the text in his mailbox. [23:23.960 --> 23:25.960] He didn't want to see him [23:25.960 --> 23:27.960] and didn't want to write songs with him. [23:27.960 --> 23:29.960] At that point I was afraid [23:29.960 --> 23:31.960] that Mick could disturb us [23:31.960 --> 23:33.960] with his idealism [23:33.960 --> 23:35.960] and his refusal to compromise [23:35.960 --> 23:39.960] with his idealism. [23:43.960 --> 23:45.960] Mick is an emotional type. [23:45.960 --> 23:47.960] He often had to stick to things [23:47.960 --> 23:49.960] that Joe was responsible for [23:49.960 --> 23:51.960] and often took unfair criticism [23:51.960 --> 23:53.960] because Joe was cruel [23:53.960 --> 24:07.960] and he didn't want to stand there as a boomer. [24:23.960 --> 24:25.960] I said, [24:25.960 --> 24:27.960] if you really think I should disappear, [24:27.960 --> 24:29.960] where do you want me to disappear to? [24:29.960 --> 24:31.960] He said, I don't know. [24:31.960 --> 24:33.960] Go to Austin, Texas. [24:33.960 --> 24:35.960] You know that fellow there, Joe Ealy, [24:35.960 --> 24:37.960] the country singer. [24:37.960 --> 24:39.960] I said, OK, Bernie, I'll be seeing you. [24:39.960 --> 24:41.960] I took the boat train to Paris instead [24:41.960 --> 24:43.960] and I thought it would be a good joke [24:43.960 --> 24:45.960] if I never phoned Bernie at all. [24:45.960 --> 24:47.960] He was going to be acting. [24:47.960 --> 24:49.960] Where has Joe gone? [24:49.960 --> 24:51.960] He was going, where has he gone? [24:51.960 --> 24:53.960] And I ran the Paris Marathon, too. [24:53.960 --> 24:55.960] And eventually they hired a private detective [24:55.960 --> 24:57.960] to find me. [24:57.960 --> 24:59.960] What is he up to and what news is there [24:59.960 --> 25:01.960] of his whereabouts? Who can answer that, Cosmo? [25:01.960 --> 25:03.960] We don't know where he is and we can't find him. [25:03.960 --> 25:05.960] And if you're listening, Joe, I said this before, [25:05.960 --> 25:07.960] please get in touch, we need to talk to you. [25:07.960 --> 25:09.960] So in no way is this any kind of publicity stunt? [25:09.960 --> 25:11.960] None whatsoever, I'll tell you. [25:11.960 --> 25:13.960] He wanted to prove that the band [25:13.960 --> 25:15.960] didn't work without him. [25:15.960 --> 25:21.960] Who's on the boat, who's on the boat? [25:21.960 --> 25:23.960] I can't deny that I didn't do anything anymore. [25:23.960 --> 25:25.960] When you use drugs, [25:25.960 --> 25:27.960] you don't care about anything else. [25:27.960 --> 25:29.960] I was selfish and dishonest [25:29.960 --> 25:31.960] and the others didn't care. [25:31.960 --> 25:33.960] I didn't really give a fuck about anyone. [25:33.960 --> 25:35.960] They have to don't do my boats, [25:35.960 --> 25:37.960] because I can't undo them. [25:39.960 --> 25:41.960] All right. [25:41.960 --> 25:43.960] Hurry up. [25:43.960 --> 25:45.960] Hello. [25:49.960 --> 25:51.960] I've got to go sunbathing. [25:51.960 --> 25:53.960] You've got to go sunbathing. [25:53.960 --> 25:55.960] Hello. [25:55.960 --> 25:57.960] Hi, Tomer. [25:57.960 --> 25:59.960] Down the railway track. [25:59.960 --> 26:01.960] Basically, they didn't have any other choice. [26:01.960 --> 26:03.960] You can't use a drummer in a band [26:03.960 --> 26:05.960] who's so busy that he can hardly play [26:05.960 --> 26:07.960] and always comes too late. [26:07.960 --> 26:09.960] I burst into tears, right? [26:09.960 --> 26:11.960] I broke into tears and Mick cried. [26:11.960 --> 26:13.960] Joe was there and said, [26:13.960 --> 26:15.960] listen, that's not the end. [26:15.960 --> 26:17.960] We were just saying [26:17.960 --> 26:19.960] that you'd be completely exhausted [26:19.960 --> 26:21.960] and needed some time. [26:21.960 --> 26:23.960] And if you got caught again, [26:23.960 --> 26:25.960] you'd be back after the tour. [26:25.960 --> 26:27.960] I tried to stop it, [26:27.960 --> 26:29.960] but about a week after the beginning of the tour, [26:29.960 --> 26:31.960] Joe said in the dump, [26:31.960 --> 26:33.960] we had to get rid of Topper [26:33.960 --> 26:35.960] because he's heroic. [26:35.960 --> 26:37.960] One day on the other, [26:37.960 --> 26:39.960] he spent his time [26:39.960 --> 26:41.960] in a crisis of nerves [26:41.960 --> 26:43.960] in a mess because of drug addiction. [26:43.960 --> 27:07.960] After that, I began to spray heroin. [27:07.960 --> 27:09.960] I lived in a occupied house [27:09.960 --> 27:11.960] with Fullheim and Schliechwein under a carpet. [27:11.960 --> 27:13.960] I saw a song on TV [27:13.960 --> 27:15.960] played by another guy. [27:29.960 --> 27:31.960] I think after Topper was fired, [27:31.960 --> 27:33.960] we didn't play a single good concert anymore. [27:33.960 --> 27:43.960] Roxxer Caspar landed in the top 5 in America. [28:03.960 --> 28:05.960] They're not punk rock now. [28:05.960 --> 28:07.960] What are they now? [28:07.960 --> 28:09.960] They just saw what the stones are. [28:09.960 --> 28:11.960] Obviously, a lot of bad jokes are ready [28:11.960 --> 28:13.960] and this guy was probably to be seen. [28:13.960 --> 28:15.960] But it was a shock when it really happened. [28:15.960 --> 28:17.960] We became pop stars [28:17.960 --> 28:19.960] and I couldn't believe that we became [28:19.960 --> 28:21.960] what we were fighting for. [28:21.960 --> 28:23.960] I'd rather be a street musician [28:23.960 --> 28:25.960] than continue like this. [28:29.960 --> 28:31.960] When the clash got really, really huge, [28:31.960 --> 28:33.960] it was probably a bit scary for them. [28:33.960 --> 28:35.960] Frightening, you know. [28:35.960 --> 28:37.960] It was certainly shocking. [28:39.960 --> 28:41.960] Maybe they weren't ready for that. [28:41.960 --> 28:43.960] Maybe they weren't ready for that. [28:43.960 --> 28:45.960] Maybe they weren't ready for that. [28:45.960 --> 28:47.960] Maybe they weren't ready for that. [28:47.960 --> 28:49.960] They're purity. [28:49.960 --> 28:51.960] They're ability to be honest. [28:51.960 --> 28:53.960] I'm asking you about the kind of responsibility [28:53.960 --> 28:55.960] that you feel that you've got towards the fans [28:55.960 --> 28:57.960] as the public figures that you are. [28:57.960 --> 28:59.960] I just don't feel strong enough [28:59.960 --> 29:01.960] to carry anything in a moment. [29:01.960 --> 29:03.960] Well, anything like that. [29:05.960 --> 29:07.960] Were you discouraged with rock and roll in general, though? [29:07.960 --> 29:29.960] It's not worse than any other prostitution business. [29:37.960 --> 29:39.960] I see it. [29:39.960 --> 29:41.960] I'm so excited! [29:41.960 --> 29:42.960] I'm so excited! [29:42.960 --> 29:59.960] When I was on stage...