Detecting language using up to the first 30 seconds. Use `--language` to specify the language Detected language: English [00:00.000 --> 00:05.840] Earlier, we spoke to Lumbar Manday, Information Minister for the Democratic Republic of Congo. [00:05.840 --> 00:10.560] I asked him why he believes that its opposition leader Etienne Cheese Academy supporters [00:10.560 --> 00:12.080] who are behind the attack. [00:13.680 --> 00:17.600] We know that these guys are organized in the gang. [00:17.600 --> 00:21.600] In Paris, this is not the first aggression they are participating. [00:21.600 --> 00:29.600] There, they have already attacked the two officers of our police who were the parties for treatment. [00:29.600 --> 00:37.440] They have attacked a lot of officials, ministers, and even musicians, artists going in the Paris. [00:37.440 --> 00:41.440] They have attacked the twice, the embassy of Congo in Paris. [00:41.440 --> 00:48.880] And sometimes they have been arrested and taken in the office of the police for being identified [00:48.880 --> 00:52.400] and integrated, but immediately released. [00:52.400 --> 00:59.360] So, this move for our partners in Paris should have been found in the United States in a car accident. [00:59.360 --> 01:05.280] Though, we are not interested in landing in the controversy, which our friends in Paris [01:05.280 --> 01:09.920] we hope that something can be done to stop this gang. [01:09.920 --> 01:14.720] We are well identified, those are follow-up of Mr. Chisequedi. [01:14.720 --> 01:21.200] In alliance with some people who are working with the late Mobutu, like Mr. Embanda, we know [01:21.200 --> 01:23.040] they are very young. [01:23.040 --> 01:27.440] Well, we should just add that there haven't been any arrests of opposition supporters, Etienne. [01:27.440 --> 01:30.480] Chisequedi's supporters emulation to that attack. [01:32.560 --> 01:37.200] In other news, it's a happy birthday to the Euro this Sunday as it celebrates 10 years since its [01:37.200 --> 01:42.640] creation. But for some, it does little to toast, as Europe continues to try and fight the Eurozone [01:42.640 --> 01:53.600] debt crisis, and the rest of the world waits with baited breath to see how it will impact on their economies. [01:53.600 --> 01:57.200] In 2002, and enthusiasm over Europe's newly founded single currency was running high. [01:58.160 --> 02:01.440] 10 years later, and the situation couldn't be more different. [02:02.160 --> 02:06.880] The debt crisis has rocked a continent, leaving European leaders struggling to prevent [02:06.880 --> 02:12.160] the Eurozone's fragmentation. Some have blamed the design flow in the Euro's implementation. [02:13.360 --> 02:18.240] Obviously, we only had the monetary side. We didn't have the budgetary or fiscal aspects, [02:18.240 --> 02:22.560] and we didn't have the politics to go with it. People who put their money together should also [02:22.560 --> 02:27.280] put political decisions about that money together, too. I think that's what's behind the thinking [02:27.280 --> 02:33.840] when people say the Euro was half-baked. Eurozone states have run up massive debts. [02:33.840 --> 02:39.120] It's meant to rise in Euro's skepticism, and some believe the worst could still be yet to come. [02:39.920 --> 02:46.320] I don't think Europe has hit bottom yet, because no bank has gone bankrupt, [02:46.320 --> 02:53.840] and if Greece has declared bankruptcy. However, investors have found the political response to [02:53.840 --> 02:59.600] the debt crisis muddled at best. 16 summits in two years have done little to help. [02:59.600 --> 03:05.680] He said we agree where there was no agreement. They said there was a solution where there was none. [03:05.680 --> 03:08.320] Little by little, they've lost credibility. [03:08.320 --> 03:15.120] Look at the visit to Odin. If 2011's been a bad year for the Euro, it seems 2012 may just [03:15.120 --> 03:20.400] decide if the single currency will survive or not. With yet another summit at the end of next [03:20.400 --> 03:24.000] month, amid even more bankruptcy fears for Italy and Spain. [03:24.000 --> 03:30.960] Iran says it's test-fired a new medium-range missile on Sunday. It comes during the final [03:30.960 --> 03:36.720] part of a 10-day naval drill in the Gulf, close to the straight of almost a key oil route. [03:36.720 --> 03:40.720] Iran threatened to close the passageway after the U.S. place sanctions on it, [03:40.720 --> 03:42.480] because of its nuclear program. [03:44.880 --> 03:50.400] And Iran's currency, the real, slipped to a record low on Sunday, a day after the U.S. imposed [03:50.400 --> 03:54.080] extra sanctions, targeting its central bank and financial sector. [03:55.760 --> 03:59.200] To Syria now and Arab League monitors appear to be in conflicts, [03:59.200 --> 04:04.160] over whether it saw government snipers in Dara, in a video released by the Syrian Observatory [04:04.160 --> 04:09.040] for Human Rights, one of the observers that assert he'd seen them with his own eyes. [04:09.040 --> 04:12.640] And yet the head of the mission later said the remark was just hypothetical, [04:12.640 --> 04:14.960] and that the observer didn't see anything. [04:14.960 --> 04:23.360] In this amateur footage, snipers appear to be in position to fire from a rooftop [04:23.360 --> 04:28.160] in the city of Dara. They're thought to be loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. [04:28.800 --> 04:32.080] Gunshots can be heard in the distance and close by. [04:32.960 --> 04:37.600] The footage cannot be verified, but it purports to have been filmed on Saturday [04:37.600 --> 04:42.800] during a visit to the city by Arab League observers. In another amateur video, one of the [04:42.800 --> 04:45.440] observers claims to have seen snipers himself. [04:47.840 --> 04:53.520] From the al-Maria side, snipers, we saw them with our own eyes. We call on the authorities to [04:53.520 --> 04:59.200] remove them immediately and we will contact the Arab League immediately if they do not comply [04:59.200 --> 05:02.080] within 24 hours, there will be other procedures. [05:05.040 --> 05:10.800] But the head of the mission Mustafa Al-Dabi told the BBC that the observer had pledged to take action [05:10.800 --> 05:16.640] if snipers were spotted, not that any snipers had been identified. The seeming contradiction [05:16.640 --> 05:22.560] reinforces fears of Syrian opposition figures about Al-Dabi's suitability in leading a mission [05:22.560 --> 05:28.000] to investigate human rights abuses in Syria. He held security positions under Sudan's [05:28.000 --> 05:33.920] President Omar Al-Vashir, who is wanted on international charges of committing genocide in Darfur. [05:34.800 --> 05:38.320] Protesters have criticized Al-Dabi's response to the violence, [05:38.320 --> 05:44.400] which has continued despite the observer's presence. This amateur footage appears to show security [05:44.400 --> 05:50.400] forces in homes, kicking an unarmed protester, then hitting him with the butt of a gun before [05:50.400 --> 05:56.240] rounding him up, along with other young men. In Idlib, crowds gathered at a funeral. [05:56.240 --> 06:01.600] They chant their defiance of President Bashar Al-Assad, saying they will bow only to God, [06:01.600 --> 06:04.000] and that the President is the enemy of God. [06:04.000 --> 06:09.600] In two days, time Americans will start voting for who they want as their Republican [06:09.600 --> 06:13.840] or presidential candidates. The race kicks off in the Midwestern state of Iowa, [06:13.840 --> 06:17.920] where Frontrunner Mitt Romney is trying to woo voters with his plans on immigration. [06:20.560 --> 06:24.000] Immigration has become one of the main issues in the Iowa caucus. [06:24.560 --> 06:28.480] The state's Hispanic population has almost doubled over the last decade, [06:28.480 --> 06:33.840] making up 5% of its residents. A growth concentrated in some counties and towns, [06:33.840 --> 06:38.000] where Mexicans and Central American immigrants work in meatpacking plants, [06:38.000 --> 06:39.520] factories and farms. [06:39.520 --> 06:43.040] If my country wasn't good shape, I wouldn't have come. [06:43.040 --> 06:45.440] But things are really tough there. [06:45.440 --> 06:50.000] But some people in this conservative state see the immigration surges a threat [06:50.000 --> 06:55.520] at a time when jobs are scarce. The Tea Party movement opposed the Dream Act, [06:55.520 --> 06:59.600] which would allow children dot to the US illegally by their parents to earn [06:59.600 --> 07:03.680] citizenship by graduating from college or serving in the military. [07:03.680 --> 07:07.840] And then the people who are illegal can go back home. [07:07.840 --> 07:11.680] They can then make into sight if they want to come here legally, get in line, [07:11.680 --> 07:16.000] and come through and do the hard things that it takes to become an American citizen. [07:16.000 --> 07:19.360] Frontrunner Mitt Romney said he would veto the Dream Act [07:19.360 --> 07:23.360] and take measures to stop new waves of illegal immigration at the border [07:23.360 --> 07:30.320] to call e-code by his rivals. We will shut down and secure the border with Mexica. [07:30.320 --> 07:34.000] We will put the boots on the ground, the aviation assets in place. [07:34.000 --> 07:36.800] That border will be safe and it will be secure. [07:36.800 --> 07:41.760] In recent decades, the US has experienced one of its largest waves of immigration [07:41.760 --> 07:46.160] with an estimated 11 million undocumented aliens living in the country. [07:47.760 --> 07:51.680] And a motorcycleist has died on the first day of the Dakar rally. [07:51.680 --> 07:55.760] Competsters from 50 countries around the world are taking part in the two weeks, [07:55.760 --> 08:00.720] 9,000 kilometer race that will run through Argentina, Chile and Peru. [08:00.720 --> 08:03.920] But it's just been announced that Argentinian bike leader, rider, [08:03.920 --> 08:09.280] Jorge Matinoz Borero has been killed who's the first time he was taking part in the event. [08:09.280 --> 08:23.120] That's all we have time for, we're back in 20 minutes. [08:27.120 --> 08:32.400] Hello and welcome to a special new year's edition of the world this week, [08:32.400 --> 08:34.560] the world this year you might want to call it. [08:34.560 --> 08:39.600] I'm also began, we're joined by distinguished panel today, Christopher Dickie of Newsweek [08:39.600 --> 08:46.560] in the Daily Beast, Otbaum, an owner and chief of Le Prus Nouvellabs, which is again, [08:46.560 --> 08:50.560] which is a participative section on the Internet of Renovid Observatory. [08:50.560 --> 08:53.600] So citizens and experts can write about these news. [08:53.600 --> 08:59.760] Reading French news weekly magazines, citizen journalist website or... [08:59.760 --> 09:00.560] Yeah, it's a website. [09:00.560 --> 09:05.920] It's a website as well. And Patrick Smith of the Africa Report published monthly, [09:05.920 --> 09:08.160] Yep, with the brand new edition of the shop, [09:08.160 --> 09:11.360] telling you all you need to know about what's going to go on in 2012. [09:11.360 --> 09:14.960] And Steven Eronger, Paris Bureau Chief for the New York Times. [09:14.960 --> 09:16.640] There's an edition every day. [09:17.920 --> 09:20.880] Updated several times in the day, exactly, endlessly. [09:20.880 --> 09:29.200] Okay, we last week, we saw how the Arab Spring blossoms pretty much spontaneously, [09:29.200 --> 09:32.960] now comes the hard part, nations like Egypt and Tunisia, [09:32.960 --> 09:38.720] find themselves having to pick leaders for leaderless revolutions. [09:38.720 --> 09:43.760] Now, everywhere there's been elections, the big winners, Steven Erlinger, have been... [09:45.360 --> 09:47.920] Well, the big winners have been the Islamists, [09:47.920 --> 09:50.160] and that's not a bad thing, frankly. [09:51.040 --> 09:55.440] But it's not necessarily a good thing, because there are lots of different kinds of Islamists, [09:55.440 --> 09:58.160] and they believe lots of different kinds of things. [09:58.160 --> 09:59.920] The Muslim Brotherhood, it seems to me. [09:59.920 --> 10:04.880] I mean, others may disagree, was the inevitable beneficiary, [10:04.880 --> 10:07.440] because it was always seen as the opposition. [10:07.440 --> 10:11.840] It was repressed by these old regimes, but it was very organized. [10:11.840 --> 10:14.320] Had a lot of money, some of it from the outside. [10:14.320 --> 10:19.440] It did a lot of charity work. It was in the villages with the people. [10:19.440 --> 10:23.200] So, they're recognizable. That would make sense. [10:23.200 --> 10:27.600] The big question for Egypt, for example, is what kind of deal has the army struck [10:27.600 --> 10:29.280] with the Muslim Brotherhood? [10:29.280 --> 10:31.760] Will the Muslim Brotherhood split above and above? [10:31.760 --> 10:38.800] I mean, this will have to see, but by itself, you know, the general support for the Islamists [10:38.800 --> 10:42.720] makes perfect sense, and should not be a great concern, I don't think. [10:42.720 --> 10:44.080] Patrick Smith? [10:44.080 --> 10:48.560] Well, it's certainly the case that the Islamists have taken over [10:48.560 --> 10:55.360] the spirit of the revolution, which appeared to be a very secular and non-theocratic spirit [10:55.360 --> 11:01.520] when it started. I think it's going to be very, very difficult to predict how it's going to [11:01.520 --> 11:08.160] pan out. I think it will, the feeling that the events in Egypt may parallel those in Turkey [11:08.160 --> 11:15.040] where you have this contest between the military and the Islamists, and somehow they find [11:15.040 --> 11:19.680] there's an accommodation. I think that could be possible. I think what's particularly striking [11:19.680 --> 11:23.920] in Egypt, and certainly the first round that we've seen so far, [11:23.920 --> 11:31.040] is that the brothers who have been active in Egypt for 80 years, they got 35, 36% [11:31.040 --> 11:37.120] and the Salafists, the extremely conservative Islamist group, got over 20%. [11:38.720 --> 11:42.480] This is Egypt's going to be the only country in which groups like the Salafists [11:42.480 --> 11:47.520] have a seat in Parliament. They have opted for parliamentary politics, [11:47.520 --> 11:57.120] entirely new political tactic for them to compete for votes like that. In Egypt, we saw Salafists [11:58.160 --> 12:04.720] posters where women were represented by flowers, or at least one case, by the Candidate's [12:04.720 --> 12:12.000] husband, how is this going to play out, though, in a nation that's used to 14 million western tourists [12:12.000 --> 12:16.080] a year? Well, it's not going to be good for tourism. I think we can say with some confidence, [12:16.080 --> 12:19.440] tourism is going to suffer. It's suffering and it's going to suffer in Egypt. [12:19.440 --> 12:25.840] When I think as we look forward, it's important to realize that we are at a whole new stage in Arab [12:25.840 --> 12:31.440] history, because of the demographics of the Arab world, because of the connectivity of the Arab [12:31.440 --> 12:35.920] world now. I mean, when I first started going there 25 years ago, you could barely get a landline [12:35.920 --> 12:40.560] to make a telephone call. Now, everybody has cell phones. Everybody has satellite television, a lot of [12:40.560 --> 12:47.120] people are on the internet, and the majority of the population is under 25 years old. A lot of [12:47.120 --> 12:53.920] in Yemen, the majority is under 18. So, this is a whole different dynamic going ahead, and I think [12:53.920 --> 12:58.640] the one thing that is predictable is that it's going to be completely unpredictable. I was in [12:58.640 --> 13:06.080] Tire Square in 2010 as Mubarak was coming down and having lived in Egypt for six years over the [13:06.080 --> 13:11.760] years. I was surprised three or four times a day, something would happen that I simply could not [13:11.760 --> 13:17.280] have imagined happening before, and I think that's going to continue. The economy, I mean, [13:17.280 --> 13:22.000] those are going to be a huge issue. I mean, how, which I think is going to be a moderating [13:22.000 --> 13:28.800] force on whichever coalition dominates Egyptian politics, they simply have to change the way business [13:28.800 --> 13:33.440] is done, and some of the prescriptions, particularly the Southeast prescriptions, just wouldn't [13:33.440 --> 13:38.400] make sense in a modern world, and I think that's where you're going to see a huge pressure [13:38.400 --> 13:45.440] for compromise on the brothers, to make deals with perhaps some secularist forces or less religious [13:45.440 --> 13:50.000] forces simply to get the economy moving, because it's going to be the first time they're [13:50.000 --> 13:55.200] really going to be put to the test, delectorally. You might also see someone like Amramus who's [13:55.200 --> 14:00.240] basically a secularist becoming president of Egypt. I mean, former head of the Arab League. [14:00.240 --> 14:05.120] Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure that's a good thing, particularly, but it again would be a moderating [14:05.120 --> 14:09.760] force, particularly, for the outside world, to feel that there was somebody there that they had [14:09.760 --> 14:17.920] some idea who they were and what they thought. We're talking about the youth here, and you [14:17.920 --> 14:23.680] have it seems, are they contradictory on the one hand conservative religious values? And on the [14:23.680 --> 14:29.600] other hand, it's sort of generation why ethos of going on social networking sites, even to find [14:29.600 --> 14:35.920] soulmates. Well, when you look on the social networks and on the internet, you mainly see [14:35.920 --> 14:41.360] the youth, so you only hear, well, you hear mainly the same voice, and they want to know freedom, [14:41.360 --> 14:47.840] liberty, and they want the right for democracy. And one of the big stakes for next year is [14:47.840 --> 14:51.760] with the movement we'll continue on the internet, and especially when you see a country like [14:51.760 --> 14:58.560] Syria, where the information is difficult to access, and some hackers really helps the people [14:58.560 --> 15:03.760] to communicate, and to communicate with each other, and with a Western word, and we just have to [15:03.760 --> 15:08.400] hope that those hackers, well, first they won't have any problem, you know, and then they will [15:08.400 --> 15:12.400] continue, because they've been doing this for months and months, and maybe after a while, they [15:12.400 --> 15:17.920] we get tired, and they will stop, and I met one of them last week, and he was saying that, you know, [15:17.920 --> 15:23.280] it's a big news, there were thousands, because they were very excited, and no, there are only a few [15:23.280 --> 15:28.480] dozens, and maybe after, you know, months after months, there's a movement we're decline. Do you [15:28.480 --> 15:34.160] sense revolution fatigue, prosperity? Yeah, I've outside, in the outside world, yes, people are like, [15:34.160 --> 15:38.960] oh, no, not another story about Arab revolutions, when Syria ever going to end, of course, [15:38.960 --> 15:42.720] people are very cynical, and they get tired very fast. I don't think there's revolution fatigue [15:42.720 --> 15:47.200] in these countries. I think there's a lot of disappointment that things haven't been delivered more [15:47.200 --> 15:52.160] quickly, but I think that just reflecting on what Patrick said, we really are going to see some [15:52.160 --> 15:57.360] interesting things happen as the Islamists, for instance, are given the responsibility of governing. [15:58.160 --> 16:02.560] I don't think they can do it. I think we actually are going to see it would be a good guess [16:02.560 --> 16:06.880] that we will see the beginning of the end of the Islamic trend over the next couple of years, [16:06.880 --> 16:11.280] because they're not going to be able to deliver, and we're going to have this chaotic situation, [16:11.280 --> 16:16.960] and the outside world will get tired of it, but I think the fact that people, especially young people, [16:16.960 --> 16:22.880] or living in a dynamic environment now, where things can change, is just amazing. I mean, [16:22.880 --> 16:29.280] four decades, four, two, three generations in the Arab world, nothing really changed. [16:30.000 --> 16:33.600] I want to get back to one point that Patrick was mentioning earlier, which is Turkey. [16:33.600 --> 16:38.240] Now, there's competing foreign influences tugging at one another in places like Egypt. [16:38.240 --> 16:42.480] There's the Gulf States, where there's lots of conservative Muslims from Egypt who've gone [16:42.480 --> 16:47.040] to find work, there's the US, which plows a lot of aid into the country, mostly military, [16:47.040 --> 16:52.240] and then there's the growing star places like Turkey, who's Prime Minister, [16:52.240 --> 16:56.320] got a rock star welcome when he visited Egypt a few months back. [16:57.120 --> 17:02.480] That's all the more remarkable Patrick that Turkey was once home to the old colonizers, the Ottoman Empire. [17:02.480 --> 17:08.400] Yeah, it's history repeating itself with a very different take. [17:08.400 --> 17:14.560] Otagans had a brilliant year, so as Qatar, I think those have been the internal beneficiaries [17:14.560 --> 17:18.640] of the Arab Spring have clearly been the Islamist and the external beneficiaries, [17:18.640 --> 17:24.480] if you like, have been Turkey and Qatar. They both moved very quickly to back the winners. [17:24.480 --> 17:29.360] Turkey's case was really interesting, because Erdogan had won the Muammar Gaddafi human rights [17:29.360 --> 17:34.480] prize a year ago, and then suddenly he discovered that Muammar Gaddafi was a really bad guy [17:34.480 --> 17:38.560] and I needed overthrowing. So what happens vis-à-vis his neighbor, Syria? [17:38.560 --> 17:43.440] He's going to be one of the deciders. There's no question about that. [17:43.440 --> 17:48.720] Turkey's influence in the region, I think, has been enhanced. [17:48.720 --> 17:53.040] It's very much in keeping with the move within the Arab League. [17:53.040 --> 17:58.160] I mean, for the first time in history, the Arab League has sanctioned a member at that level, [17:58.960 --> 18:03.680] not only supported the bombing against Gaddafi initially, [18:03.680 --> 18:08.000] but then moved against Syria, which regards itself as a cornerstone of the Arab League, [18:08.000 --> 18:12.080] and Erdogan is right up with them, and I think it's really going to enhance [18:12.080 --> 18:17.760] Turkey's status. And as a model also, not just as a sort of political actor, but as a model, [18:17.760 --> 18:23.360] we can have in Islamic state that produces economic growth, and I think that's the real challenge [18:23.360 --> 18:26.720] to all the governments in the region, is that going to be possible elsewhere? [18:26.720 --> 18:31.760] Well, one final point on this, before we move on, Steven Erdogan, we're talking about the West's [18:31.760 --> 18:37.920] waning influence in these places. We're seeing the final pull out of U.S. troops from Iraq. [18:37.920 --> 18:42.400] We're seeing further along the start of the drawdown in Afghanistan. [18:42.400 --> 18:46.800] Are we being too hard on the United States when they do that? After all, they're rolling [18:46.800 --> 18:48.400] with the punches, isn't it? [18:48.400 --> 18:53.440] Well, yeah, and also, frankly, they have a lot of interests in the Pacific, which everyone [18:53.440 --> 19:02.480] forgets, and China's a big issue, and they need to look a little harder at what China's up to, [19:02.480 --> 19:08.480] and they have friends and allies. But I think the Americans aren't going to go away. Don't [19:08.480 --> 19:16.240] mistake it. I think what's fascinating, though, is you have different models in the Arab world that [19:16.240 --> 19:23.280] have died when was Arab nationalism, Nazism. Then you had this military model, which they tried to [19:23.280 --> 19:30.960] turn into a sort of dynasty, and now you're going to have some kind of vaguely Islamist model. [19:30.960 --> 19:35.600] I'm not sure that's going to work any better. There's a lot of chaos in confusion in the states [19:35.600 --> 19:41.360] are extremely high, not just behind states, but for the King of Jordan, the King of Morocco, [19:41.360 --> 19:48.160] the Saudis. I mean, things are in play, and that means the United States is going to play a role [19:48.160 --> 19:54.080] Turkey alone is not the answer. Well, it's amazing to watch the confusion of the United States [19:54.080 --> 19:58.000] as a matter of fact, as it looks at this. I mean, we forget, as I pointed out on an essay that's [19:58.000 --> 20:07.520] in the issues to 2012, that dictators are very convenient. There was just one go-to guy in any country, [20:07.520 --> 20:11.920] either he was a royal or he was a general. You went to him, things got decided, they got done, [20:11.920 --> 20:16.720] or they didn't get done, but you only had to talk to one guy. Who do you talk to now in Egypt? [20:16.720 --> 20:21.760] The American still act as if you can just talk to the military, but you can't. They literally [20:21.760 --> 20:27.680] do not know who to talk to now. And that is a scary position if you are the Secretary of State [20:27.680 --> 20:31.120] or the President of the United States, and you're looking at one of your most important allies [20:31.120 --> 20:37.280] in one of the most volatile regions in the world. But that's the way it is. It is what it is at this point. [20:37.280 --> 20:41.440] All right, who do you talk to in those countries? Who do you talk to back in the United States? [20:41.440 --> 20:47.520] An election year is beginning in a nation more than ever polarized between right and left, [20:47.920 --> 20:54.240] and where we've seen suspicions of those in the high halls of power take on new forms. [20:54.960 --> 21:00.560] If the start of the year began with everybody here in France trying to understand what Lutipartee, [21:00.560 --> 21:07.520] the Tea Party is, now comes Occupy Wall Street, and it's affiliated franchises in several cities. [21:07.520 --> 21:11.280] Christopher Dickie, for our viewers who are not in the United States, is it just college kids? What's [21:11.280 --> 21:17.760] going on? No, no, it's a much bigger cross section of the population. It is in its way Occupy Wall Street [21:17.760 --> 21:23.280] is the left wing equivalent of the Tea Party on the right. It's an expression of fear and anger, [21:23.280 --> 21:28.720] and a desire to see something change, although in both cases, it isn't really clear what people [21:28.720 --> 21:33.920] want to change. Well, what's clear is they know what they don't want. [21:33.920 --> 21:39.200] They don't want that. So that's first a good point. And what's very interesting about this movement [21:39.200 --> 21:44.080] is how it spread all around the world, because you had only one side, the Indian it's in Spain, [21:44.080 --> 21:49.520] and on the other side you had Occupy Wall Street, and all the movement you know they just merged [21:49.520 --> 21:53.680] together, and you had also demonstration all around the world. And after you need, [21:55.040 --> 22:01.120] when the movement has success or not, and when you observe in the US Occupy Wall Street is still [22:01.120 --> 22:07.280] very active, whereas when you look at Europe, you know, the movement, well, there are some movements, [22:07.280 --> 22:11.520] there are a few demonstrations, but they don't have the media behind them, and that's one of their [22:12.960 --> 22:18.080] of their weakness. And when the US, the media came, because of the movement to express the [22:18.080 --> 22:22.240] reason of the movement, and then they came back because you had some movie stars, some actors, [22:22.240 --> 22:28.080] some singers, who came. So the media came for the people aspect of the movement, where in Europe, [22:28.080 --> 22:33.200] these are the stars they want to have. Patrick Smith, I've heard it said that in the case [22:33.200 --> 22:39.440] in the UK, with the Occupy Wall Street, Paul's, I believe it was, people became quickly disenchanted [22:39.440 --> 22:44.480] when they started to organize stuff a little too much. I think one of the one of the [22:44.480 --> 22:49.920] points is, as I was saying, we know what we don't want, that's the sort of clarion call, [22:49.920 --> 22:55.520] but they also set up a tent with a library in it, and a friend of mine said, any movement [22:55.520 --> 22:59.600] that sets up a tent with a library in it to find out what we do want. You know, he's going to [22:59.600 --> 23:05.600] get his backing. I can see the point. I think it's more diffuse now, and they had this confrontation [23:05.600 --> 23:12.240] with their religious authorities in London, and in fact, one of the clerics had to [23:12.240 --> 23:19.360] resign as a result of this. So I think popular support is still quite high, because it does ring [23:19.360 --> 23:25.440] all the right bells. They can skepticism about politicians, their hypocrisy, their corruption, [23:25.440 --> 23:31.520] skepticism about the bankers who have caused this crisis. We've talked about youth unemployment. [23:31.520 --> 23:36.960] It's all put in the bag. The problem is, it's all too simplistic, and there isn't, there isn't [23:36.960 --> 23:43.200] now a counter-movement to say what we do want, but it's just, the mantra is change, and that [23:43.200 --> 23:48.640] worked pretty well for Obama, I think, in 2008. So there's just diffuse anger. Does it help [23:48.640 --> 23:56.000] or hurt Barack Obama's, he bids a real action? I don't think it actually hurts him terribly. [23:56.000 --> 24:02.080] I'm not sure how much it helps him. I mean, I think what you have is a generalized response [24:02.080 --> 24:10.320] to fear, to economic fear. I mean, fear that, you know, the credit crisis is going to get worse. [24:10.320 --> 24:16.480] We see it. Unemployment is getting worse. Beginning to pick up a bit in the United States, [24:16.480 --> 24:23.840] unlike in Europe, American stimulus is finally kicking in. I mean, American presidents try to [24:23.840 --> 24:30.560] time these things properly. We'll see if Obama times it right, but the economy will define whether [24:30.560 --> 24:35.920] he's reelected as much as the Republican candidate will. I mean, now it looks on the Republican [24:35.920 --> 24:43.360] side that you're not going to get a Tea Party candidate. You'll probably get Romney or or get Gingrich. [24:43.360 --> 24:49.360] I think probably at this point Romney is more of a danger to Obama than Gingrich, but it's [24:49.360 --> 24:56.080] early. It's hard to know. But I think Obama is very vulnerable because the magic is gone. [24:56.960 --> 25:02.800] People are upset. They think he's smart, but they don't think he's been very effective. [25:04.000 --> 25:09.360] Chris, for Dickie, is there the fear that people won't turn out to vote for Barack Obama? [25:09.360 --> 25:14.480] I'm sure that they're not going to turn out the way they did last time around. I mean, when Steve [25:14.480 --> 25:18.960] says the magic is gone, he puts his finger exactly on the problem that Obama has, not just that [25:18.960 --> 25:24.160] the economy's difficult, but he was able to mobilize people who normally don't go out and vote. [25:24.880 --> 25:30.320] And they would get on Facebook. They would use all the social media and what's really interesting [25:30.320 --> 25:37.600] is that his campaign was designed so that you would get on these social media and then you would [25:37.600 --> 25:43.360] be directed to take concrete actions. These are the addresses of doors you should knock on in your [25:43.360 --> 25:48.800] neighborhood. This is the amount of money you should raise. It was an incredible machine [25:48.800 --> 25:51.600] getting him elected. I don't think it's going to work nearly as well this time. [25:51.600 --> 25:55.040] So how he re-invences huge amount of money, don't forget. [25:55.040 --> 26:00.160] And how he reinvents himself and what his opponent does will pick up on that point when we return [26:00.160 --> 26:16.080] for this New Year's edition of the World This Week. [27:00.160 --> 27:10.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [27:10.160 --> 27:16.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [27:16.160 --> 27:24.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [27:24.160 --> 27:40.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [27:40.160 --> 27:52.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [27:52.160 --> 28:08.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [28:08.160 --> 28:20.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [28:20.160 --> 28:26.160] New Year's edition of the World This Week. [28:26.160 --> 28:32.160] Capital cities around the world have been celebrating the start of 2012 in style. [28:32.160 --> 28:40.160] From London to New York to right here in Paris, we've got all the party pictures for you. [28:40.160 --> 28:46.160] It's a happy 10th birthday to the Euro but for the debt prices rocking the Eurozone to its core [28:46.160 --> 28:50.160] fashion, many say there's little to celebrate. [28:50.160 --> 28:56.160] And the head of the Senate in the Democratic Republic of Congo has been attacked here in Paris. [28:56.160 --> 29:02.160] He's been hospitalized after being set up on another train station garden norm. [29:02.160 --> 29:06.160] So those of the latest headlines welcome to frontspend caps. [29:06.160 --> 29:08.160] I'm Louise Hannah. [29:08.160 --> 29:12.160] Millions of people around the world have been welcoming in the New Year with fireworks, parties [29:12.160 --> 29:16.160] and even a few celebrities in New York pop div at Lady Gaga. [29:16.160 --> 29:24.160] And Mayor Michael Bloomberg hit the switch sending the cities a famous crystal ball on its count down drop. [29:24.160 --> 29:28.160] London paid homage to the 2012 Olympics at a post. [29:28.160 --> 29:32.160] Gicking off its fireworks display with a recording of the moment it learned it would host the games. [29:32.160 --> 29:38.160] While here in Paris, revelers popped champagne corks at midnight along the famed Charles de Lise [29:38.160 --> 29:44.160] all got themselves to a rooftop when they could see the Angotella shimmer in pink golden lights. [29:44.160 --> 29:52.160] Another world news, the government of Democratic Republic of Congo has accused opposition [29:52.160 --> 29:56.160] supporters of attacking the president of the Senate in Paris on Saturday night. [29:56.160 --> 30:10.160] Leon at Congo where Don do was set up on another day.