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[00:00.000 --> 00:08.000]  Tonight, live at five, shredding his pension, disgraced banker Sir Fred
[00:08.000 --> 00:14.000]  Goodwin finally agrees to hand back almost £350,000 a year. It was
[00:14.000 --> 00:19.000]  right that he paid back this sum of money. This was the discretionary
[00:19.000 --> 00:24.000]  element that was agreed by the Royal Bank of Scotland before he left.
[00:24.000 --> 00:28.000]  Also tonight, Westminster black out anger as MP's expenses are
[00:28.000 --> 00:33.000]  pushed, but with crucial details covered up. Not bothered the bleakest
[00:33.000 --> 00:37.000]  forecast yet on how climate change will affect every aspect of our daily
[00:37.000 --> 00:42.000]  lives. Mousavi leads the morning in Iran as tens of thousands of his
[00:42.000 --> 00:47.000]  supporters continue to defy the president. Brotherly banter, the
[00:47.000 --> 00:52.000]  royal princes on living and flying with each other. It is still hard
[00:52.000 --> 00:56.000]  work, but I'm better than William, so it's fine. I cook him and feed
[00:56.000 --> 01:00.000]  him basically every day. I think he's done rather well. The first and
[01:00.000 --> 01:04.000]  last time we will be living together. And so proud, hundreds line the
[01:04.000 --> 01:10.000]  streets as the Gurkhas are awarded the freedom of Folkestone.
[01:10.000 --> 01:19.000]  Live from the Sky News Centre, this is Live at Five with Colin Brazier.
[01:19.000 --> 01:23.000]  A very good evening to you. Our top story, Live at Five. Payback time
[01:23.000 --> 01:27.000]  for Fred the Shred. After months of public and political pressure, Sir
[01:27.000 --> 01:31.000]  Fred Goodwin is to hand back a huge part of his pension. As revealed on
[01:31.000 --> 01:36.000]  Sky News, the disgraced banker will now take home £340,000 a year, but
[01:36.000 --> 01:40.000]  keeps a multi-million pound lump sum. The Prime Minister welcomed his
[01:40.000 --> 01:44.000]  decision, saying he'd done the right thing. Our business correspondent
[01:44.000 --> 01:49.000]  Ursula Errington reports. He never gave an inch in the banking world.
[01:49.000 --> 01:53.000]  A tough negotiator, he earned the name Fred the Shred. But with
[01:53.000 --> 01:57.000]  negotiations now over, Sir Fred Goodwin's lost more than half of his
[01:57.000 --> 02:01.000]  RBS pension. The city's reeling at the news after months of wrangling
[02:01.000 --> 02:06.000]  between the bank, Sir Fred, and the government. I think it was right
[02:06.000 --> 02:11.000]  that he paid back this sum of money. This was the discretionary element
[02:11.000 --> 02:16.000]  that was agreed by the Royal Bank of Scotland before he left. I think for
[02:16.000 --> 02:20.000]  the future, it is really important now that we have proper systems of
[02:20.000 --> 02:26.000]  bonus and reward that reflect not short-term deals, but reflect long-term
[02:26.000 --> 02:30.000]  success. In a statement, the bank stressed the former chief executive
[02:30.000 --> 02:33.000]  handed back the money voluntarily, adding this pension arrangement
[02:33.000 --> 02:37.000]  became a symbolic issue and the focus of unprecedented media and
[02:37.000 --> 02:41.000]  political attention. It had to be fixed to allow everyone to focus our
[02:41.000 --> 02:45.000]  energies where they should be on getting the company back to health.
[02:45.000 --> 02:49.000]  When this scandal first emerged in February, it was thought Sir Fred's
[02:49.000 --> 02:55.000]  pension was £693,000 a year, but that figure was soon revised upwards to
[02:55.000 --> 03:02.000]  £703,000. RBS says Sir Fred took a lump sum payment of £2.7 million in
[03:02.000 --> 03:08.000]  February, shrinking his annual pension to £550,000. Now it's been
[03:08.000 --> 03:14.000]  revealed Goodwin is to take a further reduced pension of £342,500.
[03:14.000 --> 03:18.000]  But it's still a big cost to the bank. The pension pot to fund that is
[03:18.000 --> 03:23.000]  around £11.9 million. He's not going to starve, is he? He's on a
[03:23.000 --> 03:28.000]  rather lucrative pension by anyone's standards, a footballer-style pension
[03:28.000 --> 03:33.000]  anyway, so I don't imagine he's going to miss the money. But it allows
[03:33.000 --> 03:38.000]  him at least to rehabilitate himself somewhat in this country, to walk
[03:38.000 --> 03:43.000]  around and not be shunned. But pressure for a pension payback was growing
[03:43.000 --> 03:47.000]  even before Sir Fred had to answer to the Treasury Select Committee to
[03:47.000 --> 03:51.000]  take responsibility for his part in bringing a British bank to the brink.
[03:51.000 --> 03:55.000]  There's a profound and unqualified apology for all of the distress that
[03:55.000 --> 03:59.000]  has been caused, and I would not wish there to be any doubt about that.
[03:59.000 --> 04:03.000]  Days later, the Prime Minister said his lawyers were going after the
[04:03.000 --> 04:07.000]  banker's pension. I still think it would be better if Sir Fred waived the
[04:07.000 --> 04:10.000]  pension entitlement himself, but if that's not to be done, we will
[04:10.000 --> 04:14.000]  continue to seek the legal advice as necessary. An angry Sir Fred hit back
[04:14.000 --> 04:18.000]  in the Telegraph newspaper, saying City Minister Lord Miners was well
[04:18.000 --> 04:23.000]  aware of his pension arrangements and had OK'd them. Public fury over the
[04:23.000 --> 04:28.000]  whole financial meltdown focused on Sir Fred. Castigated as a bad banker,
[04:28.000 --> 04:32.000]  his children bullied, he'd already gone to ground somewhere in Europe when
[04:32.000 --> 04:37.000]  his Edinburgh home was vandalised. An internal inquiry at RBS has found
[04:37.000 --> 04:41.000]  Sir Fred didn't behave illegally or immorally as chief executive of the
[04:41.000 --> 04:46.000]  bank. That vindication will be important if he's to return to public life.
[04:46.000 --> 04:51.000]  The question now is whether conceding £4.7 million can buy the public's
[04:51.000 --> 04:55.000]  forgiveness. Well, Ursula Joynt is now live from RBS headquarters in
[04:55.000 --> 05:00.000]  central London. Ursula, he still won't be short of ready cash. He won't be
[05:00.000 --> 05:04.000]  short of any money, no, but it would seem this is something of a win-win
[05:04.000 --> 05:08.000]  solution all round. RBS gets some of their money back, the government
[05:08.000 --> 05:12.000]  can now say that they said they were going to go after part of this
[05:12.000 --> 05:16.000]  pension pot and they have delivered on that, avoiding a very costly court
[05:16.000 --> 05:20.000]  case, no doubt. And Sir Fred himself may now have done enough to be able
[05:20.000 --> 05:24.000]  to re-enter public life, and I think that's the crucial factor here.
[05:24.000 --> 05:28.000]  Whatever the extent to which you may blame Sir Fred Goodwin for the woes
[05:28.000 --> 05:32.000]  of RBS, he does have a young family who are said to have been very
[05:32.000 --> 05:35.000]  motivated towards them and it's said that is perhaps one of the most
[05:35.000 --> 05:38.000]  important factors that brought him to the negotiating table to do this
[05:38.000 --> 05:42.000]  deal. He's made the deal. Why do you think, though, this gesture has
[05:42.000 --> 05:48.000]  come now at this time? Well, they were very clear today that Sir Fred
[05:48.000 --> 05:51.000]  Goodwin was only really willing to push forward these negotiations once
[05:51.000 --> 05:56.000]  RBS had concluded their own internal investigation into his conduct. They
[05:56.000 --> 05:59.000]  have finished that investigation, they said he did nothing illegal,
[05:59.000 --> 06:03.000]  nothing immoral, and so then he was very willing to sort out some kind of
[06:03.000 --> 06:07.000]  settlement. But he wasn't going to do it before that, just in case he was
[06:07.000 --> 06:11.000]  ever accused of trying to buy his way out of being investigated. So it
[06:11.000 --> 06:15.000]  was important for him to get his name cleared. He'll be hoping with this
[06:15.000 --> 06:19.000]  gesture that now he can move on. Ursula, thanks very much. And later
[06:19.000 --> 06:22.000]  this hour I'll be speaking to our business presenter, Geoff Randall.
[06:22.000 --> 06:26.000]  He was who broke that story. That's coming up live at half past five.
[06:26.000 --> 06:30.000]  David Cameron has agreed to pay back nearly £1,000 in wrongly claimed
[06:30.000 --> 06:34.000]  expenses. The Conservative leader's decision comes on the day details of
[06:34.000 --> 06:39.000]  all MPs' expenses were made public, but with key information missing.
[06:39.000 --> 06:44.000]  Our political correspondent Glen O'Glaser reports. Publishing MPs'
[06:44.000 --> 06:49.000]  expenses in full for the last four years was supposed to restore our
[06:49.000 --> 06:53.000]  trust in politics and politicians. But now we've seen the official
[06:53.000 --> 06:59.000]  paperwork, huge sections blacked out, information kept secret. Hardly
[06:59.000 --> 07:03.000]  transparent, is it? Without the Daily Telegraph's disclosures, we would
[07:03.000 --> 07:08.000]  have had a lot of small items about individual items and expenditure, but
[07:08.000 --> 07:13.000]  no information about the main scandal, which is the flipping of second
[07:13.000 --> 07:17.000]  homes. But apparently there are very good reasons why we can't see the
[07:17.000 --> 07:21.000]  information we'd like to. Every blacked out piece, and we anticipated
[07:21.000 --> 07:26.000]  this would be the story, covers data protection, covers security, covers
[07:26.000 --> 07:30.000]  bank account numbers, covers credit card numbers, covers personal
[07:30.000 --> 07:34.000]  addresses, covers patterns of behaviour, covers suppliers who are
[07:34.000 --> 07:38.000]  covered by the Data Protection Act, and if we were to publish their
[07:38.000 --> 07:41.000]  information, we would be in breach of that and they could sue the House
[07:41.000 --> 07:45.000]  of Commons. So far 20 MPs have said they're going to stand down because
[07:45.000 --> 07:49.000]  of expenses, but they may not have had to if all we knew was from the
[07:49.000 --> 07:53.000]  claims published today. Take the latest resignation of Treasury Minister
[07:53.000 --> 07:58.000]  Kitty Usher. She avoided paying up to £17,000 in capital gains tax, but
[07:58.000 --> 08:02.000]  the change of address has been blocked out in the Commons receipt. Margaret
[08:02.000 --> 08:07.000]  Moran spent £22,500 to treat dry rot at a property 100 miles from her
[08:07.000 --> 08:11.000]  constituency, but the address she was making claims on was completely
[08:11.000 --> 08:16.000]  blacked out. The £2,000 that Douglas Hogg claimed for cleaning out his
[08:16.000 --> 08:20.000]  moat wasn't even included. And as the published Commons receipts only
[08:20.000 --> 08:25.000]  show what was approved, we would be none the wiser that Gosforth MP Sir
[08:25.000 --> 08:31.000]  Peter Vigors tried to claim £1,600 for a duck house. Nor would we have
[08:31.000 --> 08:36.000]  known about Hazel Bliars, who stumped up £13,000 in capital gains tax
[08:36.000 --> 08:40.000]  before resigning from the government. There's a strong case, if not for
[08:40.000 --> 08:43.000]  the whole address being published, for I understand the reasons for that,
[08:43.000 --> 08:46.000]  at least the post could have been published so people could see their
[08:46.000 --> 08:50.000]  MP for Luton's living in Southampton. The government maintains the system
[08:50.000 --> 08:55.000]  is being cleaned up. We are going to introduce legislation very, very
[08:55.000 --> 09:00.000]  shortly that will completely make the whole question of expenses run
[09:00.000 --> 09:04.000]  independently of the House of Commons, independent scrutiny, independent
[09:04.000 --> 09:08.000]  setting of the rules. I think that will lead to much more openness and
[09:08.000 --> 09:12.000]  will be far, far better in the future. From the Prime Minister down, MPs
[09:12.000 --> 09:16.000]  may feel they need their hard hats right now. If all details of MP's
[09:16.000 --> 09:20.000]  expenses were revealed, few doubt that even more of them would be forced
[09:20.000 --> 09:25.000]  to stand down. The fees office operates out of this innocuous, rather
[09:25.000 --> 09:28.000]  anonymous building across the road from the House of Commons. It's here,
[09:28.000 --> 09:31.000]  if you were allowed in, that you would find those officials who approved
[09:31.000 --> 09:35.000]  all those MP's expenses and even, according to some MPs, encouraged
[09:35.000 --> 09:39.000]  them to over claim. And yet they appear to operate in a culture of
[09:39.000 --> 09:44.000]  secrecy, revealing as little information as possible. More MP's are
[09:44.000 --> 09:48.000]  paying back money, including Conservative leader David Cameron, not
[09:48.000 --> 09:53.000]  only for that notorious wisteria, but also for mortgage interest payments
[09:53.000 --> 09:57.000]  and gas, electricity and phone bills. One thing we have learnt is that
[09:57.000 --> 10:03.000]  Shadow Chancellor George Osborne claimed £47 for two DVD's of one of
[10:03.000 --> 10:08.000]  his own speeches. The subject of the speech, value for taxpayers' money.
[10:08.000 --> 10:12.000]  Glenn O'Glaser, Sky News, Westminster.
[10:12.000 --> 10:16.000]  Our chief political correspondent, John Craig. Mr Cameron says this was
[10:16.000 --> 10:22.000]  an inadvertent error. It is a small change compared with Fred the Shred's
[10:22.000 --> 10:27.000]  gesture, but it is a gesture. Earlier this week Mr Cameron told a meeting
[10:27.000 --> 10:30.000]  of Tory MPs he was going to pay some money back, now we know exactly
[10:30.000 --> 10:36.000]  what. He is trying to lead by example. That meeting he had with his MPs,
[10:36.000 --> 10:41.000]  there were grumbles and there is talk of a letter circulating accusing him
[10:41.000 --> 10:45.000]  of Stalinist tactics, getting tough on his backbenchers and not so tough
[10:45.000 --> 10:49.000]  on some of his own Shadow Cabinet members. This is what Mr Cameron
[10:49.000 --> 10:53.000]  told us just a very short time ago about what he is going to do.
[11:01.000 --> 11:04.000]  John, apologies to our viewers, we have some sound problems. We will try
[11:04.000 --> 11:07.000]  to get that fixed and replay it later this hour, but the expenses with
[11:07.000 --> 11:11.000]  details blacked out, that is grist of the mill for those who think MPs
[11:11.000 --> 11:16.000]  really had something to hide. The Telegraph will say, and in fact they
[11:16.000 --> 11:19.000]  are saying, if it had not been for them, if it had not been for the fact
[11:19.000 --> 11:22.000]  that they knew the addresses, we would not have known about all these
[11:22.000 --> 11:26.000]  flippers, we would not have known about Kitty Usher who quit last night,
[11:26.000 --> 11:30.000]  she might have got away with it, so the claim goes. What we have learned
[11:30.000 --> 11:34.000]  really is a lot of rather colourful and rather interesting fun claims,
[11:34.000 --> 11:38.000]  if you like, besides George Osborne and his DVDs, we have some quite
[11:38.000 --> 11:42.000]  interesting ones from Labour ministers, latex gloves, Douglas
[11:42.000 --> 11:47.000]  Alexander, a wine rack, Jim Knight, corkscrew and glasses also, Christmas
[11:47.000 --> 11:52.000]  cards, all that sort of stuff. On the Tory side, a massive mobile phone
[11:52.000 --> 11:57.000]  bill from Liam Fox, Chris Grayling, three televisions and three shredders.
[11:57.000 --> 12:01.000]  So you might say they are all a bit trivial. The serious point is that
[12:01.000 --> 12:04.000]  there has been a big battle here to try and keep this secret and there
[12:04.000 --> 12:08.000]  are still allegations of a cover-up. Mr Osborne, besides being lampooned
[12:08.000 --> 12:13.000]  over his DVDs, is facing a complaint by Labour, the Labour constituency
[12:13.000 --> 12:18.000]  chairman in Tatton, his constituency, to the Parliamentary Commissioner
[12:18.000 --> 12:22.000]  for Standards. He has told us tonight that he has received a complaint,
[12:22.000 --> 12:26.000]  he is looking at it, deciding what to do, talking to Mr Osborne first.
[12:26.000 --> 12:30.000]  A lot of allegations flying around between one party and another here.
[12:30.000 --> 12:34.000]  Serious allegations of sleaze in some cases, some pretty trivial stuff
[12:34.000 --> 12:38.000]  we learned today and perhaps some of the more serious stuff has been
[12:38.000 --> 12:42.000]  covered up. John, thanks very much. Former Prime Minister Sir John Major
[12:42.000 --> 12:45.000]  has described the government's decision to keep an inquiry on the
[12:45.000 --> 12:49.000]  Iraq war private as inexplicable. He said the findings risk being
[12:49.000 --> 12:53.000]  denounced as a whitewash. After a day of heavy criticism, Gordon Brown
[12:53.000 --> 12:57.000]  has been forced into a U-turn and some hearings will now be made public.
[12:57.000 --> 13:00.000]  The former cabinet minister Lord Butler said the Prime Minister had
[13:00.000 --> 13:04.000]  not been acting in the interests of the public, at least not initially,
[13:04.000 --> 13:07.000]  he is in our Westminster studio as you see. Lord Butler, thank you very
[13:07.000 --> 13:10.000]  much for joining us this evening. You say the government has been
[13:10.000 --> 13:14.000]  acting in the political rather than national interest, that is a
[13:14.000 --> 13:18.000]  serious accusation, why do you make it? You can see that it is in the
[13:18.000 --> 13:22.000]  government's political interest that as little should come out in
[13:22.000 --> 13:28.000]  public about the war in Iraq between now and the general election. And
[13:28.000 --> 13:32.000]  one can't help feeling that the form of the inquiry has been dictated
[13:32.000 --> 13:37.000]  more by that consideration than the national consideration of purging
[13:37.000 --> 13:41.000]  the mistrust that people feel about the decisions to go to war. What do
[13:41.000 --> 13:45.000]  you say to those who argue and point to the template of the Franks
[13:45.000 --> 13:49.000]  committee that looked into the Falklands war which said look, when
[13:49.000 --> 13:53.000]  you've got sensitive intelligence evidence, some of that has to be in
[13:53.000 --> 13:58.000]  camera, it has to be confidential? Some of it does have to be in camera,
[13:58.000 --> 14:02.000]  but of course my review published all the intelligence, all the
[14:02.000 --> 14:06.000]  intelligence assessments that the ministers received. I think there
[14:06.000 --> 14:10.000]  are aspects of discussions with the Americans that ought to be heard in
[14:10.000 --> 14:14.000]  camera and I think that there may be some people who will only be
[14:14.000 --> 14:18.000]  willing to give evidence in camera, but I think the presumption ought to
[14:18.000 --> 14:22.000]  be that the hearings are as much in public as they can be, to try and
[14:22.000 --> 14:27.000]  show the public that the government is not trying to conceal things.
[14:27.000 --> 14:31.000]  There's a suggestion perhaps that what's cathartic for the relatives of
[14:31.000 --> 14:35.000]  those who died in fighting ought to be a guiding principle. Some might
[14:35.000 --> 14:38.000]  say that's not really the way that we ought to be looking at this, we
[14:38.000 --> 14:41.000]  ought not to be looking at it as a cathartic exercise for those who are
[14:41.000 --> 14:45.000]  perhaps still grieving. Well, I think there are two functions of the
[14:45.000 --> 14:49.000]  inquiry. One is to draw policy conclusions, the policy lessons, and
[14:49.000 --> 14:52.000]  there are certainly a lot to be learnt from the Iraq experience, and
[14:52.000 --> 14:56.000]  that I think that the bodies that's been set up is well qualified to do.
[14:56.000 --> 15:00.000]  But I think that it's not just the relatives, it certainly includes the
[15:00.000 --> 15:04.000]  relatives, but there are very many people who feel that they were
[15:04.000 --> 15:08.000]  misled, maybe even deceived by the government about decisions for going
[15:08.000 --> 15:14.000]  to war, and that is a feeling I think that, again, the government has got
[15:14.000 --> 15:18.000]  to deal with. It's in the public interest that that boil should be
[15:18.000 --> 15:22.000]  launched. The more public the inquiry becomes, the more grandstanding
[15:22.000 --> 15:26.000]  some say there will be. Is that a danger, we think perhaps, maybe,
[15:26.000 --> 15:29.000]  about the Bloody Sunday inquiry and think how long that's taken, how
[15:29.000 --> 15:33.000]  much it's cost? Well, I think the Bloody Sunday is a little bit of a
[15:33.000 --> 15:36.000]  bogeyman, if I may say so. I don't think all inquiries have to be like
[15:36.000 --> 15:43.000]  Bloody Sunday. And I think that as far as the evidence of the military,
[15:43.000 --> 15:48.000]  of the intelligence chiefs, indeed of the diplomats, I don't think there
[15:48.000 --> 15:53.000]  is much ground for grandstanding there, and I don't think if you look at
[15:53.000 --> 15:57.000]  previous inquiries, one sees much evidence of grandstanding. Maybe not
[15:57.000 --> 16:01.000]  grandstanding, but certainly a lawyer's paradise. Well, yes, but, you
[16:01.000 --> 16:07.000]  know, if people need to be protected by lawyer's advice, they need to be
[16:07.000 --> 16:11.000]  protected in a private inquiry as much as they do in a public inquiry, so
[16:11.000 --> 16:14.000]  I think that that's not an essential difference between a public and a
[16:14.000 --> 16:19.000]  private inquiry. Lord Butler, thanks very much. I'm speaking to the former
[16:19.000 --> 16:22.000]  Prime Minister, Sir John Major, later this hour. That is coming up at
[16:22.000 --> 16:27.000]  around about 5.30. Now, scientists have made the bleakest assessment yet
[16:27.000 --> 16:31.000]  of the effect climate change will have on the UK. They warn that rising
[16:31.000 --> 16:35.000]  temperatures and more extreme weather events will change all our daily
[16:35.000 --> 16:40.000]  lives. Well, Skyes, Holly Williams has more. Holly. Thanks, Colin.
[16:40.000 --> 16:45.000]  Scientists used a super computer to model different outcomes, and it's
[16:45.000 --> 16:50.000]  bad news, much more serious than we previously thought. If we don't cut
[16:50.000 --> 16:54.000]  carbon emissions, the worst case scenario is an average summer temperature
[16:54.000 --> 17:00.000]  rise of six degrees by 2080. So what would that feel like? Well, in London,
[17:00.000 --> 17:05.000]  summer temperatures would soar to 40 degrees. To put that in perspective,
[17:05.000 --> 17:10.000]  the 2003 heat wave saw temperatures of two degrees above average, killing
[17:10.000 --> 17:16.000]  2,000 people here and 70,000 across Europe. With the heat could come more
[17:16.000 --> 17:20.000]  skin cancers, infectious diseases like malaria and respiratory problems
[17:20.000 --> 17:26.000]  like bronchitis and emphysema. Sea levels could also rise by 36 centimetres,
[17:26.000 --> 17:31.000]  putting hundreds of thousands of homes at risk. In the north, winters will
[17:31.000 --> 17:36.000]  be wetter and we'll see more storms. But with 20 per cent less rain in some
[17:36.000 --> 17:41.000]  areas, farmers could face crop failures and drought. Those are the predictions
[17:41.000 --> 17:47.000]  for the future. So what's Britain doing to face the heat? If we don't cut
[17:47.000 --> 17:52.000]  carbon emissions, even the best case scenarios will bring more killer
[17:52.000 --> 18:00.000]  summers, more disastrous floods and creeping sea levels. Today, the Prime
[18:00.000 --> 18:05.000]  Minister visited the Thames Barrier, built to protect London from floods in
[18:05.000 --> 18:10.000]  the 1950s. The message is that climate change is inevitable and we have to
[18:10.000 --> 18:15.000]  get ready for it. We're surrounded by the sea. We've got a lot of experience
[18:15.000 --> 18:19.000]  of dealing with it. We've invested over the last 12 years a lot of money in
[18:19.000 --> 18:23.000]  flood defence. We've doubled the spending, so more homes are protected now
[18:23.000 --> 18:27.000]  than was the case a decade ago. But we've got to prepare for the future
[18:27.000 --> 18:31.000]  that's coming as well. At Plumpton College near Lewes, they're making the
[18:31.000 --> 18:36.000]  best of rising temperatures, growing grapes and retraining local farmers to
[18:36.000 --> 18:40.000]  do the same. Two degrees hotter, then I think we're really in the champagne
[18:40.000 --> 18:44.000]  sort of climate. And I think there'll be some really big plantations on the
[18:44.000 --> 18:51.000]  chalky slopes in Kent and Surrey and Hampshire, even Dorset. And they'll be
[18:51.000 --> 18:56.000]  producing some wonderful wines. But for most of Britain, there's nothing to
[18:56.000 --> 19:03.000]  celebrate in today's report. To cope, the Environment Secretary's announced
[19:03.000 --> 19:06.000]  lots of new measures. There are contingency plans in hospitals to deal
[19:06.000 --> 19:11.000]  with heatwaves and changes in farming practices. In fact, all government
[19:11.000 --> 19:15.000]  departments have been ordered to come up with adaptation plans. But what
[19:15.000 --> 19:18.000]  really needs to change is carbon emissions. The government's aiming to cut
[19:18.000 --> 19:24.000]  them by a third by 2020. If we can't do that, it's going to get a lot warmer,
[19:24.000 --> 19:30.000]  a lot sooner than we'd thought. A journalist has won the right to withhold
[19:30.000 --> 19:34.000]  material about the real IRA from police in Northern Ireland. A judge ruled
[19:34.000 --> 19:38.000]  that Suzanne Breen's life would be endangered if she gave the authorities
[19:38.000 --> 19:44.000]  information on the killings of two British soldiers in March. Criminal
[19:44.000 --> 19:48.000]  trials to be heard without a jury for the first time. The Court of Appeal
[19:48.000 --> 19:52.000]  made the ruling saying there was a significant danger of jury tampering.
[19:52.000 --> 19:56.000]  Four people are facing charges after an armed attempt to steal £10 million
[19:56.000 --> 20:02.000]  from a warehouse at Heathrow Airport. Baroness Thatcher is to have a routine
[20:02.000 --> 20:06.000]  operation tomorrow to insert a pin into her broken arm. The 83-year-old has
[20:06.000 --> 20:12.000]  been recovering in hospital for a week after falling over at home. Iran's
[20:12.000 --> 20:17.000]  defeated presidential candidate has appeared on the sixth day of protests
[20:17.000 --> 20:21.000]  in Tehran. Demonstrators wore black to mourn those killed in clashes with
[20:21.000 --> 20:25.000]  police. Sky News reporters in Iran were asked to leave by the authorities
[20:25.000 --> 20:29.000]  after the election. This report is being compiled in London by our foreign
[20:29.000 --> 20:37.000]  affairs correspondent, Lisa Holland. Iranian state television allowed to show
[20:37.000 --> 20:44.000]  President Ahmadinejad's nemesis. Grainy pictures, but still it is a highly
[20:44.000 --> 20:48.000]  provocative image. The opposition leader, who claims he was cheated from
[20:48.000 --> 20:54.000]  power, calling on his supporters to stay calm. They had come because mere
[20:54.000 --> 20:59.000]  Hussein Mousavi had asked them to. Such is the following he has garnered over
[20:59.000 --> 21:05.000]  recent weeks. Now his face symbolises a movement demanding more than just a
[21:05.000 --> 21:09.000]  recount of the election. But for today he told them to wear black as a sign of
[21:09.000 --> 21:16.000]  mourning for those killed in the violence since voting day. This picture was
[21:16.000 --> 21:22.000]  taken yesterday of one family burying its dead. The government puts the
[21:22.000 --> 21:26.000]  number killed at eight. The opposition claims it's as many as a hundred
[21:26.000 --> 21:30.000]  across the country, but there's absolutely no way of knowing if that's
[21:30.000 --> 21:37.000]  true. And the list of those detained by the authorities is growing, including
[21:37.000 --> 21:41.000]  Ibrahim Yadzi, a former aide to the father of the revolution, the Ayatollah
[21:41.000 --> 21:47.000]  Khomeini, and Mohammed Tavassali, close to the former president, Rafsanjani.
[21:47.000 --> 21:51.000]  The opposition says hundreds of people have been detained. Foreign
[21:51.000 --> 21:56.000]  journalists are still banned from attending the rallies and communication
[21:56.000 --> 22:01.000]  with the outside world is being stifled. The next move will come from the
[22:01.000 --> 22:06.000]  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran's supreme leader. He will address the nation from
[22:06.000 --> 22:11.000]  Friday prayers in Tehran. It is his moment to really assert his authority
[22:11.000 --> 22:19.000]  in a place where the constitution decrees his word is final. After the
[22:19.000 --> 22:23.000]  violence in the universities and on the streets, it will be a moment to
[22:23.000 --> 22:27.000]  attempt to mold national unity, where for days now there has been violent
[22:27.000 --> 22:33.000]  division. If he fails, all bets are off in predicting Iran's future.
[22:33.000 --> 22:38.000]  Lisa Holland, Sky News. Our Britain's royal princes have revealed their
[22:38.000 --> 22:42.000]  royal rivalry. William and Harry are both undergoing training to be pilots,
[22:42.000 --> 22:49.000]  but neither is willing to admit who is best. Jeff Mead reports. Brothers
[22:49.000 --> 22:54.000]  in arms as the two princes' military careers coincide for the first time.
[22:54.000 --> 22:58.000]  As well as getting to grips with rigorous classroom and flying tests,
[22:58.000 --> 23:03.000]  they're sharing a house and a good deal of banter. He's definitely got more
[23:03.000 --> 23:06.000]  brains than me, I think we've established that from school, but when it
[23:06.000 --> 23:10.000]  comes to all that, I'm much better hands on. And when do you find so?
[23:10.000 --> 23:17.000]  Boredness. Did you ever dig at your boredness? He's pretty rich coming
[23:17.000 --> 23:21.000]  from a ginger, so I'm quite happy to have him on this one. Well, bearing
[23:21.000 --> 23:24.000]  in mind I cook him and feed him basically every day, I think he's done
[23:24.000 --> 23:28.000]  pretty well. He did all the washing up. He does do a bit of the washing up,
[23:28.000 --> 23:30.000]  then he leaves most of it in the sink and then it comes back in the morning
[23:30.000 --> 23:34.000]  and I have to wash it up. Oh, the lies. Do you end up finding yourself
[23:34.000 --> 23:38.000]  tidying up after him? Yeah, a fair bit of tidying. He snores a lot as well,
[23:38.000 --> 23:42.000]  keeps me out all night long. I think we're showing a bed, then. I think
[23:42.000 --> 23:45.000]  that's very important we say that. William has been learning since
[23:45.000 --> 23:49.000]  January how to fly RAF search and rescue missions. Harry, who served on
[23:49.000 --> 23:53.000]  the front line in Helmand last year, is desperate to return to combat duty.
[23:53.000 --> 23:57.000]  The anonymity of a cockpit seen as the safest way for a Royal to return
[23:57.000 --> 24:01.000]  to action. To get out to Afghanistan again would be fantastic and my best
[24:01.000 --> 24:06.000]  chance is to do it from a helicopter. Have you got off the ground yet?
[24:06.000 --> 24:08.000]  Sorry? Have you got off the ground yet? I've just got off the ground, yeah.
[24:08.000 --> 24:12.000]  Thank you. Thanks for asking. And behind the Royal Chuckle Brothers
[24:12.000 --> 24:17.000]  routine, it's clear William longs for his own chance to serve in Helmand.
[24:17.000 --> 24:20.000]  I didn't join the forces to be, like I said a lot of times before,
[24:20.000 --> 24:24.000]  molly-cuddled or treated any different and as far as I'm concerned,
[24:24.000 --> 24:28.000]  in my eyes, if Harry can do it, then I can do it. I don't really separate
[24:28.000 --> 24:31.000]  us in that much difference and I think as a future head of the Armed
[24:31.000 --> 24:35.000]  Forces, it's really important that I at least get the opportunity to be
[24:35.000 --> 24:39.000]  credible and to do the job that I signed up for and to do the best I can.
[24:39.000 --> 24:42.000]  It's actually out of the question that the second in line will be put at
[24:42.000 --> 24:46.000]  risk on the front line and William will lose no respect inside or outside
[24:46.000 --> 24:51.000]  of the military for being forbidden combat duty. Whether his brother grabs
[24:51.000 --> 24:55.000]  more glory depends on how he progresses here in the full knowledge that
[24:55.000 --> 24:58.000]  one in six army pilots fail to make the grade.
[24:58.000 --> 25:02.000]  Geoff Meads, Sky News, RAF Shawbury.
[25:02.000 --> 25:04.000]  This is Sky News on our website, SkyNews.com.
[25:04.000 --> 25:11.000]  The Afghan immigrant who got access to Sandhurst after stowing away on a coach.
[25:11.000 --> 25:15.000]  Whilst coming up, loyalists in Northern Ireland make a breakthrough on
[25:15.000 --> 25:19.000]  decommissioning their weapons. And more freedom for the Gurkhas,
[25:19.000 --> 25:22.000]  this time in a southern seaside town.
[25:28.000 --> 25:31.000]  I do watch Sky News a lot, I've got to say, it gets on Sarah's nerves.
[25:31.000 --> 25:35.000]  Sky News, what do you watch Sky News for? I need to know what's going on
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[28:00.000 --> 28:18.000]  It's believed loyalist groups in Northern Ireland have started
[28:18.000 --> 28:21.000]  decommissioning their weapons. They've been under pressure to give up
[28:21.000 --> 28:25.000]  their guns after being set an August deadline by the government.
[28:25.000 --> 28:28.000]  Sky's Vicky Hawthorne is at Hillsborough Castle for us tonight.
[28:28.000 --> 28:31.000]  A major breakthrough, it seems, Vicky.
[28:31.000 --> 28:35.000]  Yes, indeed, all the indications are that indeed loyalist paramilitary
[28:35.000 --> 28:39.000]  groups have begun decommissioning. I understand that the Ulster
[28:39.000 --> 28:43.000]  Volunteer Force has made the biggest move in decommissioning and the
[28:43.000 --> 28:48.000]  Ulster Defence Association, the UDA, isn't far behind making similar
[28:48.000 --> 28:53.000]  moves. This all came out earlier today. The government, nor the
[28:53.000 --> 28:57.000]  decommissioning body which was set up to monitor the decommissioning of
[28:57.000 --> 29:01.000]  weapons, have been able to confirm any of this. But the Secretary of
[29:01.000 --> 29:05.000]  State, Sean Woodward, felt that it was obviously significant enough.
[29:05.000 --> 29:08.000]  He was prepared to give a press conference here at Hillsborough Castle,
[29:08.000 --> 29:11.000]  his official residence, earlier this afternoon, and this is what he had
[29:11.000 --> 29:13.000]  to say.
[29:13.000 --> 29:18.000]  If these reports were to be confirmed, they would demonstrate a major
[29:18.000 --> 29:24.000]  act of decommissioning by loyalism. And secondly, what they demonstrate,
[29:24.000 --> 29:30.000]  if they are confirmed, is that politics in Northern Ireland is working.
[29:30.000 --> 29:35.000]  All of the armed organisations should follow suit, and I hope that we
[29:35.000 --> 29:39.000]  are into a circumstance where all that is happening. I think it shows
[29:39.000 --> 29:43.000]  that most people, as can be seen in the number of elections which have
[29:43.000 --> 29:47.000]  occurred, have faith in the process.
[29:47.000 --> 29:51.000]  As I say, while this has not been officially confirmed, the general
[29:51.000 --> 29:55.000]  feeling is that there is definitely something afoot with loyalists
[29:55.000 --> 29:59.000]  decommissioning. I put some background to this, the IRA completed
[29:59.000 --> 30:02.000]  decommissioning in 2005, and ever since then the loyalists have been
[30:02.000 --> 30:07.000]  under serious pressure to follow that and to make their significant
[30:07.000 --> 30:10.000]  steps towards decommissioning. It all looks like this is exactly what is
[30:10.000 --> 30:13.000]  happening and we may have official confirmation of this within the next
[30:13.000 --> 30:17.000]  few days. Vicky, thanks very much indeed. Top stories for you on Live
[30:17.000 --> 30:21.000]  at Five. Sir Fred Goodwin is to hand back a large part of his pension,
[30:21.000 --> 30:25.000]  as revealed on Sky News. The disgraced banker will now take home
[30:25.000 --> 30:32.000]  £340,000 a year, but he keeps a multi-million pound lump sum.
[30:32.000 --> 30:36.000]  Conservative leader Dame Cameron is to pay back almost £1,000 in
[30:36.000 --> 30:40.000]  wrongly claimed expenses. Iran's defeated presidential candidate,
[30:40.000 --> 30:49.000]  Mir Hossein Moussavi, has appeared on a sixth day of protests in Tehran.
[30:49.000 --> 30:54.000]  This afternoon over Hong Kong, we expect to see a downpour of vintage
[30:54.000 --> 31:01.000]  champagne. Our weather currently is still a little bit changeable, but
[31:01.000 --> 31:05.000]  it is getting better by the day and certainly as we go into next week,
[31:05.000 --> 31:08.000]  high pressure should be taking over and temperatures will be lifting
[31:08.000 --> 31:11.000]  up slowly as well. These showers, they are all down to an area of low
[31:11.000 --> 31:15.000]  pressure close to Scotland. Some of those showers have been quite heavy
[31:15.000 --> 31:18.000]  through the course of the day and indeed, thundery. We have seen one
[31:18.000 --> 31:21.000]  or two down towards the south as well, but in fact, this is where we
[31:21.000 --> 31:24.000]  have got the thicker cloud. You can see elsewhere, better breaks in
[31:24.000 --> 31:27.000]  that cloud, but temperatures have still reached around 20, 21 degrees
[31:27.000 --> 31:30.000]  Celsius, that is 70 degrees Fahrenheit. There is our low centre
[31:30.000 --> 31:33.000]  at the moment and the rather brisk winds that go with it and that is
[31:33.000 --> 31:36.000]  going to track its way slowly eastwards overnight, so those showers
[31:36.000 --> 31:41.000]  really tending to make their way across to eastern parts of Scotland,
[31:41.000 --> 31:44.000]  to be followed by a few more showers into the north and west first thing
[31:44.000 --> 31:47.000]  on Friday morning, but generally, we should see a lot of that cloud
[31:47.000 --> 31:51.000]  disappear from southern parts, so brighter skies to start the day and
[31:51.000 --> 31:53.000]  of course, temperatures will respond to that. We are looking at
[31:53.000 --> 31:56.000]  temperatures around 20, 21 degrees Celsius on the day, that is 70
[31:56.000 --> 31:58.000]  degrees Fahrenheit.
[31:58.000 --> 32:02.000]  Well, more now on the government's apparent U-turn on its plans to hold
[32:02.000 --> 32:06.000]  an enquiry into the Iraq war in private. Some hearings now will be
[32:06.000 --> 32:10.000]  held publicly after Gordon Brown came under heavy criticism today, not
[32:10.000 --> 32:13.000]  least from former Prime Minister Sir John Major, who described the
[32:13.000 --> 32:17.000]  initial plans as inexplicable and Sir John joins me now live from
[32:17.000 --> 32:22.000]  Westminster. Sir John Major, why do you think that plan was inexplicable?
[32:22.000 --> 32:28.000]  Well, you have here with the Iraq war something that was very
[32:28.000 --> 32:32.000]  controversial. There are some elements of it that are still not clear to
[32:32.000 --> 32:35.000]  people. Was the war legal? What advice was given to the government? How
[32:35.000 --> 32:39.000]  did they deal with it? They are crucial questions. There are further
[32:39.000 --> 32:43.000]  questions as well. Did we actually go to war on a false premise? What
[32:43.000 --> 32:47.000]  were we told about the weapons of mass destruction? Those are issues
[32:47.000 --> 32:52.000]  that are very controversial. And in the government's own interests, we
[32:52.000 --> 32:56.000]  need to make sure that those are settled and put to rest. And holding
[32:56.000 --> 33:00.000]  an enquiry largely behind closed doors, which was what was originally
[33:00.000 --> 33:04.000]  anticipated, would certainly have just given rise to more and more
[33:04.000 --> 33:08.000]  rumours and more and more discontent in the government's own interests. I
[33:08.000 --> 33:11.000]  thought that was a very silly decision. Who ought to decide then
[33:11.000 --> 33:15.000]  which elements remain confidential, which bits of information remain
[33:15.000 --> 33:19.000]  confidential, which bits remain in camera? Because inevitably there
[33:19.000 --> 33:22.000]  will be evidence coming from, for instance, senior intelligence
[33:22.000 --> 33:26.000]  sources, which in the national interest ought to stay private. I
[33:26.000 --> 33:29.000]  entirely agree with that. I don't think anyone disagrees with that, of
[33:29.000 --> 33:32.000]  course there are. But I think the general presumption should be public,
[33:32.000 --> 33:36.000]  that the hearing should be in public, with the hearings closed when the
[33:36.000 --> 33:39.000]  chairman and the committee judge that it is in the national interest for
[33:39.000 --> 33:42.000]  them to be so. I think they are best placed, they know what questions
[33:42.000 --> 33:45.000]  they are going to ask, they know the responsibilities of the witness,
[33:45.000 --> 33:48.000]  they are cross-examining. So I think they are the people to make the
[33:48.000 --> 33:52.000]  decision. But overall, essentially, the presumption must be that the
[33:52.000 --> 33:57.000]  inquiry is in public if it is to carry the force with the public that
[33:57.000 --> 34:01.000]  everyone hopes that it will have. Let us get this matter solved. What we
[34:01.000 --> 34:05.000]  don't want is a legacy of suspicion hanging over for years, so that next
[34:05.000 --> 34:09.000]  time a future government may be in a position of having to send troops
[34:09.000 --> 34:13.000]  into conflict, everyone knows that what is being done is entirely
[34:13.000 --> 34:16.000]  aboveboard, and the government's word is instinctively and
[34:16.000 --> 34:20.000]  unquestioningly trusted. That is what we must hope will come out of this
[34:20.000 --> 34:25.000]  inquiry. But to ensure that, we first need the inquiry. Is there a
[34:25.000 --> 34:29.000]  danger that if this inquiry is fully public, we effectively offer a
[34:29.000 --> 34:34.000]  licence for grandstanding, for posturing, it becomes more political?
[34:34.000 --> 34:37.000]  Well, I am not quite sure the sort of witnesses they are going to have,
[34:37.000 --> 34:40.000]  who is actually going to do the posturing and being political. I
[34:40.000 --> 34:45.000]  don't think the sort of people they are going to be interviewing are
[34:45.000 --> 34:48.000]  going to take that view. If they are, I think the experience of the
[34:48.000 --> 34:52.000]  chairman and the committee will soon cut them down to size. But you have
[34:52.000 --> 34:57.000]  a choice. Even if one or two people postured, is that worse than a large
[34:57.000 --> 35:00.000]  part of the public not being satisfied with the outcome of this
[35:00.000 --> 35:04.000]  inquiry? I would argue not. What is necessary at the end of this
[35:04.000 --> 35:10.000]  inquiry is to put to rest the suspicions and uncertainties that have
[35:10.000 --> 35:14.000]  lingered about how this war began from the very outset of it. Is there
[35:14.000 --> 35:18.000]  a sense in which the inquiry in becoming public becomes a cathartic
[35:18.000 --> 35:22.000]  exercise for the relatives of those combatants who lost their lives?
[35:22.000 --> 35:26.000]  I think you touch on an extremely important point. I think it is very
[35:26.000 --> 35:30.000]  important for the families and friends of those servicemen who were
[35:30.000 --> 35:35.000]  killed or wounded, in many cases very seriously maimed, I think they need
[35:35.000 --> 35:39.000]  some form of closure. And I think the form of closure, you used the word
[35:39.000 --> 35:43.000]  cathartic, I think I would refer to it as closure, can best be done by an
[35:43.000 --> 35:47.000]  inquiry that examines the veracities of the war, how it came about, how it
[35:47.000 --> 35:52.000]  was conducted, and finally puts the whole matter to rest. So I think, yes,
[35:52.000 --> 35:56.000]  you are right, it will be cathartic and I think it will offer closure.
[35:56.000 --> 36:00.000]  And that, I think, is a very important part of the reason for having this
[36:00.000 --> 36:04.000]  inquiry. That closure could come at a tremendous price, couldn't it? In
[36:04.000 --> 36:07.000]  cost terms, we think of the Bloody Sunday inquiry, we look at something
[36:07.000 --> 36:11.000]  that has become a very protracted process, it has gone on for an awful
[36:11.000 --> 36:15.000]  long time and it has cost the taxpayer an enormous amount of money. I
[36:15.000 --> 36:18.000]  don't think we are likely to see a replication of the Bloody Sunday
[36:18.000 --> 36:22.000]  fiasco, which, as you say, went on a very long time. I think the general
[36:22.000 --> 36:25.000]  presumption from the Prime Minister downwards is that this is an inquiry
[36:25.000 --> 36:29.000]  that will proceed quite speedily and report quite speedily. Personally, I
[36:29.000 --> 36:33.000]  regret it didn't begin two years ago when I first advocated that it
[36:33.000 --> 36:36.000]  should, but nonetheless, I don't think it's going to replicate that. The
[36:36.000 --> 36:40.000]  lessons of the Bloody Sunday inquiry, I think, have been well learned.
[36:40.000 --> 36:43.000]  And how would you characterise, finally, the Prime Minister's handling
[36:43.000 --> 36:48.000]  of this announcement? Well, I'm baffled, to be frank. I'm baffled that
[36:48.000 --> 36:53.000]  it was so unclear to him that it would not meet the government's own
[36:53.000 --> 36:57.000]  purpose if they had this in private. The government's purpose is to settle
[36:57.000 --> 37:01.000]  this and push it to one side for once and all. Having it in private
[37:01.000 --> 37:05.000]  simply wouldn't have done that, and I simply can't begin to imagine how
[37:05.000 --> 37:09.000]  they thought that it would. Sir John Major, thank you. Thank you.
[37:09.000 --> 37:13.000]  This is Sky News coming up for you. Payback time. Jeff Randall, a wife
[37:13.000 --> 37:16.000]  Fred the Shred, is giving up part of his pension. That's next on Live at
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[39:52.000 --> 39:56.000]  So, as revealed today on Sky News, Sir Fred Goodwin will now take home a
[39:56.000 --> 40:00.000]  £340,000 a year pension, but keeps a multi-million pound lump sum.
[40:00.000 --> 40:03.000]  The story broken by our business presenter, Geoff Randall, who is here
[40:03.000 --> 40:08.000]  to talk about it. Why has he done this, Geoff? Well, look at it from Fred
[40:08.000 --> 40:14.000]  Goodwin's point of view. OK, he had a massive pension, £703,000, but his
[40:14.000 --> 40:18.000]  life and that of his family had become intolerable. He had become the
[40:18.000 --> 40:23.000]  demon figure for financial greed. He had become the personification,
[40:23.000 --> 40:28.000]  really, of the banking collapse. His house had been pelted, his kids had
[40:28.000 --> 40:32.000]  been taken out of school. He had become a pariah. You cannot go on like
[40:32.000 --> 40:36.000]  that. I think he had taken advice from lots of people, some professional,
[40:36.000 --> 40:40.000]  some personal, saying a gesture is required and it can't just be a few
[40:40.000 --> 40:44.000]  grand in the Salvation Army kitty. You've got to do something proper.
[40:44.000 --> 40:48.000]  And I think the voices that were talking to Fred always thought that
[40:48.000 --> 40:52.000]  about half would be right. And, you know, in the wash here, it's a
[40:52.000 --> 40:56.000]  slightly complicated deal, but it is about half. He was going to get
[40:56.000 --> 41:01.000]  £703,000, now just over £340,000, but he does have the lump sum which
[41:01.000 --> 41:04.000]  he has taken out up front. We've talked before, haven't we, about how
[41:04.000 --> 41:07.000]  he had become a bogeyman for politicians and the full weight of
[41:07.000 --> 41:10.000]  the state in a sense was bearing down on him as he became this bogeyman
[41:10.000 --> 41:13.000]  figure, but it wasn't just him that was suffering. Our correspondent in
[41:13.000 --> 41:16.000]  Edinburgh today was talking about his two boys at a private school, some
[41:16.000 --> 41:19.000]  of their colleagues at the school and their parents had suffered at RBS
[41:19.000 --> 41:23.000]  and it was affecting, as you say, his entire family. Completely. And,
[41:23.000 --> 41:27.000]  you know, look, Fred was obsessed with work, but he does have a family
[41:27.000 --> 41:30.000]  life, he does have a conscience and this was just intolerable. You cannot
[41:30.000 --> 41:35.000]  go on like this unless you are so hard-hearted, so flinty that you say
[41:35.000 --> 41:38.000]  stuff them all and clearly he wasn't going to do that. I think the other
[41:38.000 --> 41:42.000]  thing is also that Fred, he's only 50, you know, I think he believes that
[41:42.000 --> 41:46.000]  he still has a role to play somewhere in business life. He did not have an
[41:46.000 --> 41:50.000]  opening while this was hanging over him. He had to have closure, as we
[41:50.000 --> 41:53.000]  heard in the previous interview. Closure is very important to problems
[41:53.000 --> 41:57.000]  of this scale. Now, I think there will be closure. The unions will kick up
[41:57.000 --> 42:00.000]  a fuss and you can see why. I'm not saying that their complaints are
[42:00.000 --> 42:04.000]  unjustified, but I think that they will dribble away. The key players in
[42:04.000 --> 42:08.000]  all this, the government, the UKFI, which looks after our investments,
[42:08.000 --> 42:12.000]  the bank itself and Sir Fred have done a deal and they will say, we will
[42:12.000 --> 42:15.000]  move on. It is one thing for protesters to stop putting his front window
[42:15.000 --> 42:19.000]  through, it is quite another for serious business people to welcome
[42:19.000 --> 42:22.000]  him onto the board of a big company. This is after all a man whose
[42:22.000 --> 42:25.000]  pariah status was such that he was effectively blackballed from
[42:25.000 --> 42:29.000]  membership at a well-known golf club. Yes, he was. Well, there is a
[42:29.000 --> 42:34.000]  precedent. Andy Hornby, who ran H Boss, another bank that all but
[42:34.000 --> 42:38.000]  collapsed, he has now been welcomed back as the chief executive of
[42:38.000 --> 42:43.000]  Boots. Not to universal acclaim? Not to universal acclaim, but he has
[42:43.000 --> 42:47.000]  got away with it and I don't think he was shredded, to use that phrase,
[42:47.000 --> 42:51.000]  in the press. Some people said that he was a very good retailer who
[42:51.000 --> 42:54.000]  played at banking and now has gone back to retail. I think there is a
[42:54.000 --> 42:59.000]  big difference. H Boss was never Andy Hornby's bank. He was someone who
[42:59.000 --> 43:03.000]  got out of his debt and was running H Boss. He wasn't inextricably
[43:03.000 --> 43:07.000]  linked with the personality of that bank. Unfortunately for Fred
[43:07.000 --> 43:11.000]  Goodwin, he was linked with RBS. It was Fred's bank. It was his deal.
[43:11.000 --> 43:15.000]  In that sense, it is going to be harder to find a way back. Jeff,
[43:15.000 --> 43:18.000]  thanks very much indeed. More from Jeff on that story, of course, on
[43:18.000 --> 43:21.000]  his programme tonight, 7.30. After forcing the government to change
[43:21.000 --> 43:24.000]  the rules on settling in the UK last month, the Gurkhas have had
[43:24.000 --> 43:27.000]  further cause to celebrate. They were given the freedom of Folkestone
[43:27.000 --> 43:32.000]  in Kent in front of a 10,000-strong crowd. Sky's David Bowden was
[43:32.000 --> 43:36.000]  there.
[43:36.000 --> 43:40.000]  The sun shone brightly and the crowds turned out in droves as the
[43:40.000 --> 43:45.000]  Gurkhas were given the freedom of Folkestone. More than 600 men from
[43:45.000 --> 43:49.000]  the 2nd Battalion, just back from a gruelling tour of Afghanistan,
[43:49.000 --> 43:55.000]  proudly marched through the seaside town. Fantastic. All the children,
[43:55.000 --> 44:02.000]  all the folks from Folkestone, all the people here, it is absolutely
[44:02.000 --> 44:05.000]  fantastic. It must make you feel immensely proud. Really, really
[44:05.000 --> 44:08.000]  proud.
[44:08.000 --> 44:12.000]  Also there are Gurkhas who can no longer march, their legs blown off
[44:12.000 --> 44:16.000]  by Taliban mines, but their spirit is still strong. I feel very happy
[44:16.000 --> 44:24.000]  and proud that the public supports us so much. I loved it.
[44:24.000 --> 44:27.000]  For the crowd, a chance to say a personal thanks to this unique band
[44:27.000 --> 44:31.000]  of brothers who put their lives on the line, not for their own country,
[44:31.000 --> 44:33.000]  but for ours.
[44:33.000 --> 44:36.000]  I have lived in Folkestone all my life and it gives me such enormous
[44:36.000 --> 44:39.000]  pride to be here.
[44:39.000 --> 44:43.000]  The Gurkhas have been with us for 200 or 300 years, marvellous.
[44:43.000 --> 44:49.000]  Absolutely marvellous. I tell you what, get you there. Absolutely.
[44:49.000 --> 44:53.000]  For these Gurkhas, this is a day of celebration and pride, but also
[44:53.000 --> 44:57.000]  one of sadness. They, like many other units who served in Afghanistan,
[44:57.000 --> 45:01.000]  have lost comrades in the fight against the Taliban. There will be no
[45:01.000 --> 45:05.000]  homecoming parade for them.
[45:05.000 --> 45:08.000]  No Gurkha event these days, it seems, is complete without an appearance
[45:08.000 --> 45:12.000]  by Joanna Lumley, who has brought the bravery of these Nepalese
[45:12.000 --> 45:14.000]  fighting men to the fore.
[45:14.000 --> 45:17.000]  I think it is just such a sign of respect from our country and I think
[45:17.000 --> 45:20.000]  it is absolutely thrilling. I am so proud of Folkestone for doing this
[45:20.000 --> 45:25.000]  grand thing, both for the serving soldiers and for the retired soldiers.
[45:25.000 --> 45:28.000]  I think it means so much and it is really part of, it is a sort of
[45:28.000 --> 45:31.000]  microcosm of what our country wants to say to these Gurkhas, you are so
[45:31.000 --> 45:35.000]  welcome, we are so honoured to have you amongst us.
[45:35.000 --> 45:38.000]  It took just quarter of an hour for the quick-stepping Gurkhas to
[45:38.000 --> 45:41.000]  complete the mile and a quarter march through Folkestone, before
[45:41.000 --> 45:45.000]  returning to their barracks to be presented with their campaign medals.
[45:45.000 --> 45:50.000]  For each and every one of them, an unforgettable day. Though for the
[45:50.000 --> 45:55.000]  wives of Corporal Kumar Poon and Colour Sergeant Krishna Dura, the
[45:55.000 --> 45:59.000]  Gurkhas who were killed in Afghanistan, the memories will be altogether
[45:59.000 --> 46:05.000]  different. David Bowden, Sky News, with the Gurkhas in Folkestone.
[46:05.000 --> 46:08.000]  Top stories on Live at Five for you. Sir Fred Goodwin is to hand back a
[46:08.000 --> 46:11.000]  huge part of his pension, as revealed on Sky News. The disgraced banker
[46:11.000 --> 46:16.000]  will now take home £340,000 a year, but he keeps a multi-million pound
[46:16.000 --> 46:20.000]  lump sum. The Conservative leader David Cameron is to pay back almost
[46:20.000 --> 46:25.000]  £1,000 in wrongly claimed expenses. And Iran's defeated presidential
[46:25.000 --> 46:29.000]  candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, has appeared on a sixth day of protests
[46:29.000 --> 46:35.000]  in Tehran. This is Sky News coming up at six. We are live in Salford,
[46:35.000 --> 46:40.000]  where Hazel Blias could be deselected as an MP tonight. Who is rocking
[46:40.000 --> 46:45.000]  the boat? And up next, who is in, who is out of the Lions team to play
[46:45.000 --> 46:51.000]  South Africa? Jeff Hoon has just announced that he is going to step
[46:51.000 --> 46:55.000]  down. The new cabinet has not actually. I know Sky is always at all
[46:55.000 --> 46:59.000]  times very ahead of the games, but actually it has not been fully
[46:59.000 --> 47:05.000]  announced yet. I think it is about to be announced from number two.
[47:05.000 --> 47:10.000]  Just as he got approved by an adoption agency doesn't mean he will get
[47:10.000 --> 47:15.000]  approved by the birth mother. Unfit mother. Amusing. A wannabe mother.
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[49:29.000 --> 49:40.000]  Yeah, I'm in Sainsbury's. Yeah, I'm done. Hang on a minute.
[49:40.000 --> 49:47.000]  Sainsbury's have lowered thousands of prices on big-name brands so you
[49:47.000 --> 49:57.000]  might need a trolley. Dan Lobb is here to reflect on the sport and in
[49:57.000 --> 50:01.000]  particular the fact that it's the Lions' first season.
[50:01.000 --> 50:13.000]  Yeah, they've been out there since 30th May. They've had six matches.
[50:13.000 --> 50:17.000]  They've won all six and the Lions have finally named their team to
[50:17.000 --> 50:22.000]  face South Africa for that first test, as Colin was saying on Saturday.
[50:22.000 --> 50:26.000]  There's the team in full. No real surprises in the selection. The
[50:26.000 --> 50:31.000]  toughest decision made by coach Ian McGeachan was who to choose in the
[50:31.000 --> 50:37.000]  back row. He went for Tom Croft, David Wallace and Jamie Heslip. The
[50:37.000 --> 50:41.000]  team consists of six Welshmen, five Irishmen, four Englishmen. No
[50:41.000 --> 50:46.000]  Scots in the 22. This is the first of three tests. The Lions hoping to
[50:46.000 --> 50:50.000]  emulate what they achieved under McGeachan back in 1997. After the
[50:50.000 --> 50:56.000]  announcement, the coach explained his selections. When you're playing a
[50:56.000 --> 51:00.000]  test match, I know you'll tell me I've done it in the past, but I think
[51:00.000 --> 51:05.000]  where we could, we wanted to be having players playing in their number
[51:05.000 --> 51:12.000]  one positions. And, you know, that's what we've tried to do. I think we
[51:12.000 --> 51:17.000]  know we'll be playing at a different level on Saturday and I think it's
[51:17.000 --> 51:23.000]  important that we try and give them that opportunity. Those warm-up
[51:23.000 --> 51:27.000]  games, they've been in fabulous form. They've taken a lot of physical
[51:27.000 --> 51:31.000]  stick, particularly the last game, but they're shaping up well. There
[51:31.000 --> 51:34.000]  were some doubts over a couple of players. They were expecting a tough
[51:34.000 --> 51:37.000]  encounter and you would do that going to South Africa and playing those
[51:37.000 --> 51:40.000]  provincial sides, but they've come through magnificently well. Six out
[51:40.000 --> 51:44.000]  of six, but I think it's a step up now, isn't it, against South Africa?
[51:44.000 --> 51:48.000]  Especially seeing it's three tests. Now, this first test really set the
[51:48.000 --> 51:52.000]  tone for the rest of the tour, but fingers crossed for a good performance
[51:52.000 --> 51:55.000]  from the Lions on Saturday. Let's move on to the golf show. It's day
[51:55.000 --> 51:59.000]  one at the US Open. Weather, though, has already intervened at the Beth
[51:59.000 --> 52:03.000]  Page Black Course in upstate New York. Players have been suspended because
[52:03.000 --> 52:07.000]  the course is waterlogged. Tiger Woods completed six holes before
[52:07.000 --> 52:11.000]  Reign's start plate and had an eventful time. Defending champion hit
[52:11.000 --> 52:16.000]  this wayward tee shot at the par 4 fifth, which led to a double bogey
[52:16.000 --> 52:22.000]  in the end. But he hit straight back at the next, a birdie three,
[52:22.000 --> 52:29.000]  leaving him one over, two shots off the leads. History was made on
[52:29.000 --> 52:33.000]  Ladies Day at Royal Ascot in the feature race, the Gold Cup. The
[52:33.000 --> 52:37.000]  64-favourite Yates became the first horse to win the race for a fourth
[52:37.000 --> 52:41.000]  year in a row. The eight-year-old ridden by Johnny Murta came home
[52:41.000 --> 52:45.000]  three and a half lengths clear of Pat Guy at nine to two. Geordie
[52:45.000 --> 52:53.000]  Land at 11 to four was third, a further 15 lengths adrift. South
[52:53.000 --> 52:57.000]  Africa playing Pakistan in the first semi-final of the World 2020,
[52:57.000 --> 53:01.000]  this one being played at Trent Bridge. This was the first wicket
[53:01.000 --> 53:07.000]  that Pakistan won the toss elected to bat. Shazab Hassan caught
[53:07.000 --> 53:13.000]  wonderfully well by Wain Parnell for a duck. Cameron Ackmell has also
[53:13.000 --> 53:17.000]  fallen, making a quick-fire 23 of just 12 balls. He was caught by
[53:17.000 --> 53:21.000]  Malkal off the bowling of Dale Steyn. The latest score, I can tell
[53:21.000 --> 53:27.000]  you, four overs bowled Pakistan are 32 for two. We are going to talk
[53:27.000 --> 53:31.000]  football in just a moment, but it is worth mentioning that the former
[53:31.000 --> 53:35.000]  England paceman Simon Jones, who had such a wonderful Ashes 2005, part
[53:35.000 --> 53:39.000]  of that four very strong bowler attack, he has been ruled out the
[53:39.000 --> 53:43.000]  rest of the domestic season because of this knee injury. I am guessing
[53:43.000 --> 53:47.000]  it is the recurring knee injury that has blighted such a promising
[53:47.000 --> 53:51.000]  career. He has been played with injury in that particular knee injury
[53:51.000 --> 53:55.000]  for the majority of his career. It is sad because age-wise, time is
[53:55.000 --> 53:59.000]  against him and it is a hard life for him in the old cricket world at
[53:59.000 --> 54:03.000]  the moment. That is a shame. Somebody for whom life has not always
[54:03.000 --> 54:07.000]  been hard, Kevin Keegan, the come-back kid. Could be, yes, on the
[54:07.000 --> 54:11.000]  cards. He might be going back to one of his former clubs as a player,
[54:11.000 --> 54:15.000]  Southampton. He was there back in the early 80s. Saints have had an
[54:15.000 --> 54:19.000]  awful time of late. They have been relegated down to League One and
[54:19.000 --> 54:23.000]  there are reports that Kevin Keegan has linked with the consortium
[54:23.000 --> 54:27.000]  being led by Southampton legend Matt Letitie, which some suggest will
[54:27.000 --> 54:31.000]  definitely be taking the club over. Suggestions would point the finger
[54:31.000 --> 54:35.000]  at Kevin Keegan as becoming the next manager. We will have to wait
[54:35.000 --> 54:39.000]  and see. That would be a Keegan return to football, perhaps. Watch
[54:39.000 --> 54:43.000]  this space. Thanks very much indeed. This is Sky News coming up at
[54:43.000 --> 54:47.000]  six. Take it back, Fred the Shred finally agrees to hand back almost
[54:47.000 --> 54:51.000]  £350,000 a year in his pension. Plus, rallies continue in Iran over
[54:51.000 --> 54:55.000]  the disputed presidential election and opposition candidate Mousavi
[54:55.000 --> 54:59.000]  joins his supporters and here the Gurkhas have caused for more
[54:59.000 --> 55:25.000]  special parade and a special guest.
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[56:29.000 --> 56:33.000]  somehow the impossible happened.
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[58:05.000 --> 58:09.000]  Coming up on Sky News at 6, all the big stories tonight, including
[58:09.000 --> 58:13.000]  Goodwin gives in. The former boss of RBS changes his mind on his pension payout.
[58:13.000 --> 58:17.000]  And payback for Cameron as the Conservative leader fails to escape the
[58:17.000 --> 58:21.000]  expenses scandal. And royal competition as the Princess
[58:21.000 --> 58:25.000]  William and Harry take on pilot training together.
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[58:35.000 --> 58:39.000]  Hello there. We're going to see a gradual improvement in the weather
[58:39.000 --> 58:43.000]  over the weekend. And once the high pressure builds, it should stay with us through much of next week.
[58:43.000 --> 58:47.000]  But sadly today, we've seen showers. Some of those showers have been quite sharp.
[58:47.000 --> 58:51.000]  Particularly up towards the north and the west. Some rumbles of thunder. Some more prolonged
[58:51.000 --> 58:55.000]  periods of rain. And down towards the south, it's been rather disappointingly cloudy.
[58:55.000 --> 58:59.000]  Well, certainly through the rest of this evening and overnight, expect some further heavy showers.
[58:59.000 --> 59:03.000]  These mainly from parts of north Wales, north Midlands, northwards.
[59:03.000 --> 59:07.000]  It's that area of low pressure up towards the northwest, which is going to pass eastwards across
[59:07.000 --> 59:11.000]  parts of Scotland. And that's going to take the worst of the showers with it. But that's going to happen
[59:11.000 --> 59:15.000]  overnight. Elsewhere, we should lose some of the cloud from the south. And certainly Friday morning
[59:15.000 --> 59:19.000]  looks like being a fairly bright affair. Eventually temperatures reaching around
[59:19.000 --> 59:23.000]  21 degrees Celsius. That's 70 degrees Fahrenheit. But the general feel on the day
[59:23.000 --> 59:27.000]  is going to be quite breezy. We're going to keep those winds quite brisk.
[59:27.000 --> 59:31.000]  One or two isolated showers around. But the majority following on in the wake of that low
[59:31.000 --> 59:35.000]  pressure area into northern and western areas. And eventually, those will most
[59:35.000 --> 59:39.000]  likely go down towards central parts and eventually out towards the southeast.
[59:39.000 --> 59:43.000]  So as far as Saturday is concerned, temperatures lifting that little bit down in the south.
[59:43.000 --> 59:47.000]  A little more sunshine and much, much fewer showers.
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